[MLB-WIRELESS] Re: Providing free *real* internet access to the community...

[Ryan Abbenhuys]

The issue here is people providing internet access under the guise of
Melbourne Wireless.

What they do on their own unaffiliated wireless networks is none of our
business.  When the network is claimed to be part of the Melbourne Wireless
network and it is potentially breaking ACA regulations or similar, then
there is an issue and it affects the rest of the members and the committee.

Melbourne Wireless was not created with the intention of providing free or
cheap wireless internet access. Until such time as there is a clear-cut
stance from the regulatory bodies on this I would be very wary of this. 
Australia's internet industry is very different to that of the US where a
wireless hotspot running from every 5th house may be acceptable.


>rick wrote:
>
>> yeh if someone offered you, but what if you said that they had to donate
or
>> not access?
>
>Then I guess I donate or dont access, its just that simple !!
>
>> someone has to pay for the net, i pay for mine and if someone wants to
check
>> his emails on the way to work he can use mine 2, he says a small
donation to
>> who wants net access, where does he draw the line, and matt i do think
its
>> my busniess if they call there node a melbourne wireless node and start
>> making cash out of it. who are we to dictate? we are the 'community' we
arnt
>> a small busniess starter if they want someone to buy there eq for them
well
>> wtf are they really here for, i have given stuff away, alot of people
have,
>> but the idea that someone says i HAVE to give them a cisco wireless card
>> well we are a community not a charity,
>
>Who ever said anything about making cash ??  The only inference I ever 
>saw was that of recovering costs, something which is not unreasonable. 
>You have taken a whole wrong tilt on this subject, it was never about 
>making money, it was about recovering costs, and if you choose to donate 
>equipment then that is your choice and one that you are free to make.
>
>> everything i say is of my own mind and well matt are you charging for
your
>> wireless?
>
>Nope, I cant get a connection out of this hole, and if I did that would 
>be my choice, yet again it would be only to recover costs.
>
>> as for being narrow matt can you donate some money to me to cover my
>> wireless equipment? infact i will like a donation as well for any future
>> equipment i buy, come on, get real, even sydney guys arnt that bad that
they
>> would foce people to donate to other people just to get on the
mesh/online
>
>Why would I want to donate anything to you ??  There is no reason for to 
>do so, and how exactly do you "force" someone to donate ??  Hand up the 
>back perhaps ??
>
>> if someone is shareing FREE net then it is free, its not free if it has
a
>> stupid catch, agree or not matt?
>
>Net access could be free, the cost of providing it is not.
>
>> "While you might have this dream that net access be free, someone
>> somewhere has to pay for it, why should this not be the end users ??
>> Are you honestly expecting someone to spend hundreds if not thousands of
>> dollars, plus a lot of time and effort to be able to give people access
>> to the internet and incur a loss for their generosity ??  Wake up and
>> smell the roses, this is the real world."
>
>> maybe you should look at what the real world is doing, personaltelco
>> seattlewireless are just 2 examples
>
>I applude there efforts, but why do we have to do it like them ??  Last 
>time I checked we wernt seattlewireless, we are melbourne wireless, and 
>thus we do things how it works for us.
>
>Matt.
>
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