[MLB-WIRELESS] Resignation
Justin
littlejuz at optusnet.com.au
Sun Mar 17 17:23:33 EST 2002
Tyson, Everyone,
No, don't quit. No no no no no no. No. And no, you have do
not have anything to apologise for.
I just wish I had a few hundred dollars to put where my
mouth is. I want to set up a free wireless Half Life server.
I'll do it with or without the everyone, but I prefer with.
If it was not for you, I guess I would not be here trying
to achieve what you helped start.
Tyson, you rock. No question. VOTE ONE - TYSON for PRES.
(and that is a serious vote). Also, keep the $49.50.
I'm human too and I shoot my mouth off, hope people get
used to it and don't take it as personally. However I find
personal abuse or physical threats as admissions that people
cannot defend their position or views with well thought out
facts, i.e. "personal abuse is admission of defeat". Think
about that the next time you get abused by someone and see
if it fits :)
I gather most people are just eager to get something going
and just want the results faster than is possible at the
moment. Dunno if a committee is the best idea or not.
In line with my comments on IPs and OSPF, how about we have
something basic before we try and implement the 'ultimate'
and yet unknown answer.
For meetings pre committee, lets start with basic some roles
and rules.
ROLES
=====
- Venue arranger
- Meeting agenda keeper
- Time Keeper
RULES
=====
- Stick to the agenda
- Stick to the time keepers time keeping
- No personal abuse
Next, can we put this simple starting point on the web site
and let people vote on it as the basis for the next meeting?
At least people get to have a say, and we make can (gasp!)
make a decision......!
Give it a week on the web page and then close the vote, and
then it either gets dismissed or becomes a policy or as Will
pusts it so well, a 'recommendation'. If people don't like
the recommendations of the group, then they can just leave.
It's not like anyone is forcing them to be here.
Cheers all, hope you have a good weekend. And thanks you Tyson.
Regards,
Gaz.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tyson.Clugg at csiro.au [mailto:Tyson.Clugg at csiro.au]
Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2002 4:03 AM
To: clae13 at yahoo.com; melbwireless at wireless.org.au
Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] Resignation
I apologize to everyone in the group.
I have been trying VERY HARD to please lots of people.
I, like others, am getting stressed.
Tempers have been running very high.
In the previous week, the list has seen more posts regarding organisational
issues than technical ones.
We all want roughly the same things, we disagree on how we should achieve
this.
Nobody can please everyone all of the time.
Some things do not just happen, there is a "group" of us working together to
get things happening, we have loosely referred to ourselves as a
"committee".
This "group" typically communicates off list.
This "group" is formed of people that have been constructive and
communicative at the meetings, that is people who have approached myself and
others and been pro-active in getting things done.
The pro-active part is especially relevant. Activities carried out include:
* Running the current server - which includes web pages, mailing lists, node
maps, etc.
* Building the new server, to cope with the exponential growth experienced
by the group.
* Sourcing bandwidth and hardware to run the servers.
* Finding a suitable venue for our monthly meeting.
* Communicating with external entities, such as the press, government and
others.
* Running the monthly meetings.
* Documenting what we do, like the RFC.
I have raised the issue of voting for a committee numerous times on this
list.
Every time I raise the issue, I get flamed.
The issue won't go away until we have a committee.
The group can't run itself, someone needs to organise things. Melb-Wireless
does not have a committee, yet the meetings still go ahead.
I apologise for being human. I have my flaws like everyone else. I have
been doing my best at helping Melb-Wireless rise to a level that we can all
hopefully be proud of. I am not alone in my efforts.
If you have ANY questions regarding how things have been happening, who has
been doing what, what is planned for the future, then all you need to do is
ASK. We WILL reply truthfully and honestly. Feel free to ask such
questions openly on the list, feel free to request that they are answered
via the list. We can make no guarantees that we can answer every question,
as we are sure that there are plenty to ask, but we will try our best.
If people feel that my services are not required, then I shall leave. As
simple as that.
As a matter of fact, I'm tired of being flamed.
I hereby step down. I resign myself from doing anything that can be
considered as helping the group.
If you want me back, ask nicely. Until then, I'll be another one of those
fools asking "what can wireless do for me", rather than "what can I do for
the community with wireless".
Regards,
Tyson.
__________________________________
Tyson Clugg
email: Tyson.Clugg at csiro.au
phone: +61 3 9887 0117 (Home)
__________________________________
PS: Extra monies collected at the last meeting (total monies collected was
$99.50, hall cost was $50.00, extra monies are therefore $49.50) shall be
brought along to the next meeting, or forwarded to whoever decides to take
up organising the next meeting. We probably won't fit into the scout hall
for much longer, and the insurance on other venues is expensive. You will
need the cash. I wish you good luck finding a venue, and the best of luck
organising the meetings. Perhaps I might even turn up at one.
-----Original Message-----
From: Clae [mailto:clae13 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 8:39 PM
To: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] Fwd: Committee Meeting
I strongly object to this kind of thing being organised by private
emails, without going through the public list. I am not about to
become part anyone's "committee by appointment".
I therefore propose that the melbwireless community move at the next
meeting to establish genuine democratic process, for example, a
constitution, formal incorporation, offices and decision-making
procedures.
I also propose that this "committee" has absolutely no recognition
from the floor, until such time as a democratic process has ensued.
This kind of feral back-room branch stacking really gets my giddy goat.
Clae.
>X-From_: tyson.clugg at csiro.au Thu Mar 14 21:20:39 2002
>X-Track: 1: 40
>X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from clae13 at yahoo.com to clae at tpg.com.au
>From: Tyson.Clugg at csiro.au
>To:
>Subject: Committee Meeting
>Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:20:30 +1100
>
>Dear "Committee",
>
>We are having an impromptu meeting, to discuss various developments of this
>week.
>
>
>***Time***
>5pm Saturday March 16th 2002. This time is not concrete - if you can't
make
>it, TELL me. We NEED your input.
>
>***Location***
>O'Connell Reserve.
>
>***Duration***
>Between 2 and 4 hours.
>
>***Bring***
>Pen and paper.
>Your "everyday" laptop if you have one.
>Ideas for the next meeting (12th April 2002).
>Thoughts on what you would say to Senator Richard Alston if you were to
meet
>him and discuss current ACA regulations regarding broadcasting internet
>packets on community wireless networks.
>
>***Leave***
>Show and tell stuff, unless it is of importance to the "committee".
>Friends who would be better off attending the next general meeting.
>
>
>Regards,
>Tyson.
>
>PS: I refer to this group of people as the "committee", as I couldn't think
>of any other description for us at the moment.
>____________________________________________
>
>Tyson Clugg
>IT Services
>CSIRO - Molecular Science, Clayton
>phone (work): 03 9545 8117
>phone (home): 03 9887 0117
>email: tyson.clugg at csiro.au
>____________________________________________
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