[MLB-WIRELESS] ip allocation list based on suburb

[darrend at natwide.com.au]

I'm sure this has been mentioned before....
We all agree that we'll eventually need to use an ip routing protocol (ie
not static routes) to allow for redundancy and multihoming. That being the
case, it does NOT matter what ip's are allocated where. Forget about this
suburb, postcode or whatever else crap for IP's. Remember why DNS was
invented???
As far as public address space allocation goes... forget it. Unless someone
is willing to front the US$10000 yearly apnic membership fee to apply for
class A networks! or gain sponsorship from a major provider (no more legal
debates please). Anyone else got a few class A networks to spare???
In the end, I think we'll have no choice but to use the 10.x.x.x private
space for host addressing, possibly 172.16.x.x for routing devices etc.
nuff sed

Darren Dreis
IT Manager
Nationwide Digital Products P/L
Tel 03 9548 9444  Fax 03 9548 9040



                                                                                              
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Hi everyone,

I've been lurking here for a couple of weeks and figured it was high time I

got off my backend and started contributing... so...

Re: the IP & suburb idea - I like it, but there's too many suburbs, as
noted [repeatedly :)] elsewhere.

If we use local councils however it is an entirely different situation.
Victoria has 78 councils, so that will fit very nicely in 255. [For
specific info, with names and populations for each council, see the
attached .csv]

Also, whilst I'm no expert on IP or DNS, I agree with those pushing the
view that we should seriously consider the long term implications of these
decisions; I see no reason why, in 5 years from now, community networks
couldn't be literally everywhere - and have community internet access. We
should ensure we can talk to the "real" net - on its terms and with as
mininal a number of technical hoops to navigate, because if we don't we
could wind up with a complete pigsty of a "bridging" system b/n networks.

Finally [for now! I'm like Pringles... once I start, I can't stop :)] the
legality issue - my understanding is that the regs re: carrier licence,
etc, apply to profit-making entities. Non profit groups are excluded.
Having said that IANAL - > But I have a mate who is a Dr of law, and a QC,
so I'll see if I can impose on him. I guess the first thing to check is to
see if there are any precendents already.

Just thought of something... what happened to the IP range One.Tel had?
Would the administrator get control of them, or would they go back to
APNIC? If the administrator has them, and One.Tel is still in
administration [? Don't know??], might they be available? Given that
One.Tel is worthless, might we be able to take over the admin of them?

Anyway, my 2 cents.

Cheers,
Blake Robertson.





>>When I first saw this I thought, yeah, that's a cool idea... have
>>10.1.xx for
> melb, 10.2.x.x for richmond, etc, etc. then I went to
> http://www.street-directory.com.au/map_australia.cgi?
file=street/australiasearch.htm
> and did a grep of how many suburbs there are in Victoria... 660. so
> that throws a wrench into the 255 suburb list. we could always group
> together the less populated suburbs into 2 or 3 sharing one number.
> does anyone have a list of the populations for all the suburbs?

(See attached file: d10vGCHRoU0aj0z15KbtGXtLC5tfe1u6)(See attached file:
councils.csv)

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