[MLB-WIRELESS] Re: List etiquette / and other
sneeze at alphalink.com.au
Thu Apr 1 20:44:39 EST 2004
Is anyone able to give me a ride to the committee meeting as I'm still
unable to drive?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Troy Mitchell" <txm at optusnet.com.au>
To: "Melb-Wireless Committee" <committee at wireless.org.au>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:29 PM
Subject: RE: List etiquette / and other
> OK, that's great. If Jamie has already offered the suggestion he is happy
> with it, Michael seems OK with that as an option, It goes well with my own
> and I imagine others filtering methods etc..
> Plan: I'll e-mail Jamie now, tell him we've had it mentioned to us a few
> times, and that if he would be happy to carry out his suggested subject
> prefix, to make it so.
> Once confirmed by him, E-mail Michael with the response and document it as
> In regards to the policy framework stuff, its still all in my head, Ill
> endeavour to get it out of there in the next few days. Im planning to use
> the committee wiki as working space, instead of having docs on my local
> We have a committee meet next week right ? Lets say Wednesday, 7:30pm in
> City again unless hugely inconvenient for anyone. Im actually pretty
> flexible for any night next week.
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: James Healy [mailto:jimmy at deefa.com]
> >Sent: Saturday, 27 March 2004 10:59 PM
> >To: committee at wireless.org.au
> >Subject: Re: List etiquette
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> >Most of this sounds fairly sensible to me.
> >Would fit in nicely with the policy stuff discussed at the
> >last committee meeting (how's that coming along? :P)
> >In the short term, how should we respond to
> >a) Michael
> >b) Jamie
> >| To: MW Committee
> >| From: Michael Borthwick
> >| Re: Excessive commercial posting on the the MW list.
> >| Jamie Moir has made at least 9 directly commercial posts to the list
> >| since mid-January. That is above my personal threshold of tolerance.
> >| Others might have a higher level of tolerance, and others will be
> >| offended by any direct advertising by commercial suppliers.
> >| Jamie feels it necessary to respond in public to the list to what he
> >| perceives as any potential commercial threat, I would be
> >happier if he
> >| used better judgement, and in my opinion his business would
> >look more
> >| professional as well.
> >| Once upon a time any commercial solicitation to the MW list
> >would have
> >| been frowned upon. Now it's basically a free-for-all with apparently
> >| no rules or etiquette being observed.
> >| I've had a number of very civil emails with Jamie over this
> >and he has
> >| essentially agreed with my observation that he never lets an
> >| opportunity go by and in fact feels compelled for commercial reasons
> >| to use our list to do exactly that.
> >| Having been involved with MW since its inception I don't
> >feel that it
> >| is in keeping with the culture of the list for Jamie to use it is a
> >| forum in which to battle his competitors for a slice of the wireless
> >| hardware market, regardless of how well he is regarded by
> >his many customers in MW.
> >| I don't mind if someone else points members to his site - but this
> >| rarely happens as he inevitably responds on his own behalf -
> >| frequently quoting prices and including direct links into
> >his product database.
> >| Frankly I can't believe that **anyone** who has been on this
> >list for
> >| any time at all could be ignorant of his product range since
> >he posts
> >| so frequently and has sold a stack of gear to many satisfied MW
> >| customers already.
> >| I think its important that we *try* and keep the list focussed on
> >| building out a community wireless network, rather than it
> >becoming an
> >| online swapmeet.
> >| We are fortunate that currently the many other vendors signed up to
> >| the list and in a position to supply product don't feel the need to
> >| continually remind us so directly of that fact. Vak never does this
> >| for example.
> >| I'm not the only member who feels that it is now a little
> >over the top
> >| but if the majority of members are fine with it then I'll
> >pull my head
> >| in, otherwise some ideas might be:
> >| To limit commercial posts to (say) one per month To ask Jamie to
> >| consider occasionally responding directly to the enquirer rather to
> >| the enquirer *and* the entire list - most of whom are pretty sorted
> >| for wireless gear.
> >| Wait 24 hours (I can't imagine that happening) to give someone else
> >| the chance to recommend jmcs as a supplier.
> >| Take up Jamie's offer that he include COMM in his subject lines - I
> >| would like the committee to give this consideration, if it is not
> >| already MW policy.
> >| Regards,
> >| Mike
> >- --
> >"Oder tis moodle in der noggin tu smacken der ouchey und
> >vinger-slingers ur to smacken-backen und fix de morkin, yoobetcha!"
> >~ - The Sweedish Chef.
> >personal : jimmy at deefa.com / Work: james at rainbowbooks.com.au
> >MelbWireless: treasurer at wireless.org.au
> >msn: jimmy at deefa.com / ICQ : 6370237
> >publicKey: http://www.deefa.com/publicKey.txt
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