[MLB-WIRELESS] Free P2P phones will pressure telcos

Damian Halloran damian at phit.com.au
Wed Nov 12 23:08:00 EST 2003

The manufacturers software provides the interfacing back to the central 
server (a gatekeeper) and they will allow an independent gatekeeper 
only on volume of hardware sales.  We are yet to make a concerted 
effort to have an independent gatekeeper however we may be able to sway 
them in the near future.

Damian Halloran.

On 12/11/2003, at 10:56 PM, Ryan Abbenhuys wrote:

> Mainly technical but a bit of marketing doesn't hurt.
> Keep in mind that there's a mixture of people at meetings from geeks 
> who
> want to know about encoding, bitrates, the underlying technology, etc, 
> to
> average people who just want to know what it does and how much it 
> costs.
> Is this something that would operate independant of the internet?  
> Would it
> be possible to setup a private server on the wireless network to use 
> the
> devices?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Damian Halloran" <damian at phit.com.au>
> To: <sneeze at ALPHALINK.COM.AU>
> Cc: <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Free P2P phones will pressure telcos
>> Yes we would be interested.  Please let me know available dates and
>> I'll organise to be there with the director of the company.  How
>> technically focussed (as opposed to marketing hype) should the
>> presentation be?
>> Thanks
>> Damian Halloran.
>> On 12/11/2003, at 10:25 PM, Ryan Abbenhuys wrote:
>>> Would yourself or a representative from your company be interested in
>>> giving a presentation at a Melbourne Wireless meeting at some stage
>>> perhaps?  Followed up with a TIB deal for those interested?
>>>> So that I'm not howled down by all and sundry this is a FYI post 
>>>> not a
>>>> "shameless" plug.
>>>> I work for a company who distribute IP telephony units aimed at the
>>>> home user.  These units work through the USB port of Windows (only -
>>>> damn) computers and even though they come with their own software 
>>>> they
>>>> work with Skype.
>>>> With the supplied software all units generate their own ring and 
>>>> dial
>>>> tones, have an international prefix for telephone numbers,  and are
>>>> registered with a central server in Taiwan.  We've tested them with
>>>> broadband as well as dial-up and in both cases I would give the
>>>> quality
>>>> of the call an 8 (if PSTN is the benchmark of 10).  Making calls is
>>>> simply a case of picking up the handset and dialling.
>>>> They come in three flavours: A PSTN/IP phone model that allows you 
>>>> to
>>>> connect an analogue handset to it, as well as a PSTN line.  Nothing
>>>> really fancy about this unit but you can attach a cordless analogue
>>>> handset to it, and attach it to a PABX for incoming and outgoing IP
>>>> telephone calls.
>>>> The next model is a handset type for your travelling person.
>>>> The third model has all the same features as the first, but it also
>>>> allows call hop off so you can call from the IP network to PSTN and
>>>> vice versa, and call forwarding features.  We've tested call
>>>> forwarding
>>>> to PSTN and mobile telephones and again the quality is about 8.
>>>> The only costs associated is the hardware, they don't charge for the
>>>> calls.
>>>> The only downside is that it is a "closed" network, ie you can only
>>>> ring another one of the units.
>>>> So that it doesn't come across as a plug I'll leave out the name of
>>>> the
>>>> equipment, and supplier.  If people do want more info you can e-mail
>>>> me
>>>> off-list.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Damian Halloran.
>>>> On 12/11/2003, at 4:06 PM, Tony Langdon wrote:
>>>>>> Well, it would partly work, but you wouldn't be able to dial
>>>>>> (afaik) as the
>>>>>> soundcard input doesn't detect DTMF (afaik). You'd still need
>>>>>> to dial via
>>>>>> the software phone.
>>>>> Hmm, perhaps the IRLP style approach (but with phone handsets and
>>>>> hardware
>>>>> based line simulators, instead of radios) is the way to setup a 
>>>>> VoIP
>>>>> IP
>>>>> ohone network.  The idea is actually quite simple in concept.
>>>>> 1.  Define a numbering scheme.  This can be a simple "flat" scheme
>>>>> like ICQ
>>>>> (basically the ham VoIP apps work this way), or something more
>>>>> complex
>>>>> using
>>>>> international prefixes and the like.  I prefer KISS, we're not
>>>>> billing
>>>>> here.
>>>>> :-)
>>>>> 2.  Setup some form of address resolution.  This could use DNS
>>>>> (12345.freeipphone.org, etc), or some specialised server based 
>>>>> scheme
>>>>> (the
>>>>> ham systems have their own schemes for address resolution).
>>>>> 3.  Define some sort of hardware interface to connect the phone to
>>>>> the
>>>>> PC.
>>>>> The interface would need to generate ring voltage (80V AC -
>>>>> oscillator,
>>>>> audio power amp and a transformer should do), and all the necessary
>>>>> voltages
>>>>> and signalling to make an ordinary POTS handset work.  The 
>>>>> interface
>>>>> could
>>>>> also include a DTMF decoder chip so it can perform this function as
>>>>> well.
>>>>> Alternatively, you could write this function into the software (I
>>>>> have
>>>>> seen
>>>>> both approaches used, but the hardware one works best).  Hardware
>>>>> decoding
>>>>> also makes it easy to script in special functionity that can be
>>>>> accessed
>>>>> whenever the phone is off hook, regardless of whether it's on a 
>>>>> call
>>>>> or not
>>>>> (a la IRLP).
>>>>> 3.  Start with some existing piece of open source software.  Hack 
>>>>> it
>>>>> to work
>>>>> with the above interface for call establishment and termination, so
>>>>> all the
>>>>> user has to do is treat it like a normal phone - just pick it up 
>>>>> and
>>>>> dial
>>>>> (or answer).  For our application, probably one of the SIP based 
>>>>> VoIP
>>>>> packages would be most appropriate.
>>>>> 4.  Build on extra functionality outside the package.  Shell
>>>>> scripting
>>>>> can
>>>>> work well here, and make the package very "hackable".  That's one 
>>>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>> strengths of IRLP in the radio world.  If the functionality is not
>>>>> there,
>>>>> chances are you can add it in. :)
>>>>> Of course, the hardest part will be getting the hardware out there.
>>>>> Now, if
>>>>> any of us is involved in electronic manufacturing, that would help.
>>>>> Good
>>>>> thing is it won't need Austel/ACA approval, as it's not interfacing
>>>>> to
>>>>> the
>>>>> phone line, just your PC. :-)
>>>>> Might also be a good project for mags like Silicon Chip. :)
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