[MLB-WIRELESS] Re: PunkNet - was Re: Node x is over this way -was- Applications

[Ben Anderson]

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Ben.

> Oh!
>
> And I forgot to add:
>
> Tear into it - any comments or IDEAS, please put them up!
>
>
> Jon
>
>
> Jon wrote:
>
> > Ok all, time for this.
> >
> > If you feel in the mood for reading a lengthy, in-progress White Paper,
go for
> > it:
> >
> > http://central.warehouse.net/jon/PunkNet Defined.rtf
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > Clae wrote:
> >
> > > >  > Please excuse me if this is one of those questions that was
answered
> > > >>  in like 1670 by an arthritic frenchman with a slide rule.
> > > >
> > > >It isn't too far dissimilar to the travelling salesman problem ;)
> > >
> > > least-path analysis
> > >
> > > >  > what if each node was assigned a unique prime number, and it is
> > > >  > multiplied by  the primes of each node it can see...  ....
> > > >
> > > >It's possible, sure.  But the number gets **rediculously large** as
you
> > > >scale to large numbers... Just think about a million different prime
> > > >numbers, all multiplied together...  and now propegate that around
the
> > > >network every 10 seconds to deal with nodes roaming around.  Run out
of
> > > >bandwidth, don't we ;)
> > >
> > > darn those roaming nodes :-)
> > > i have a hunch there's a way around that,
> > >
> > > >   is it essential that network
> > > >  > _location_ be that secure, as opposed to content and _personal_
> > > >>  identity?  besides, we don't have to factorise for unknown primes,
> > > >>  just simple division
> > > >
> > > >Even if the guy in the black mask doesn't know my real name, I don't
want
> > > >him kneecapping me as I go to check the snail-mail.
> > >
> > > yeah but it's not a meatspace location anyway, and i have some vague
> > > thoughts about hiding each hop in the chain
> > >
> > > >  > or can we exploit six-degrees here, ie "has anyone seen brian
today?"
> > > >  > (echo echo echo) give up.
> > >
> > > >  and stop passing the
> > > >hello on after x hops.  Which means nodes beyond x don't know of that
nodes
> > > >existance, and can't talk to that node.
> > >
> > > but a small number of long-range links that leapfrog over the shorter
> > > mesh links dramatically improve the mutual knowledge in the network.
> > >
> > > >Hopefully I haven't rained on your parade enough to discourage you...
Some
> > > >interesting ideas, the primes one actually had me thinking for a few
minutes
> > >
> > > and your replies ditto
> > >
> > > maybe a hybrid of the primes method and the six degrees,
> > > multiplication and passing of primes restricted to x/2 and "where is
> > > brian" requests ditto...  then you don't have a million primes
> > > multiplied together, just a few thousand over here, a few thousands
> > > over there...
> > >
> > > >  > ps mojo =  bandwidth as currency?
> > > >
> > > >Not quite...  it makes sense to reward people who run proxy servers
with
> > > >mojo as well, as they can arguably add more bandwidth availability to
the
> > > >network by caching stuff.
> > > >Mojo is just some magic number in a database somewhere (though I want
it
> > > >distributed, with strong encryption to protect the little cookie like
> > > >objects).
> > >
> > > much like an anonymous digital currency
> > >
> > > >Hopefully that last paragraph doesn't confuse you too much...
> > >
> > > still digesting
> >
> > --
> > I've played piano in a whorehouse.  I've smuggled secret papers out of
> > Russia...I've taught a gangster mob how to play Pinchie Winchie, sat on
the floor
> > with Greta Garbo, horsed around with the Prince of Wales, played
ping-pong with
> > George Gershwin.  George Bernard Shaw has asked me for advice.  I've
basked on
> > the Riviera with Somerset Maugham and Elsa Maxwell.  I've been thrown
out of the
> > casino at Monte Carlo.
> >
> >        - Harpo Marx
>
> --
> I've played piano in a whorehouse.  I've smuggled secret papers out of
Russia...I've
> taught a gangster mob how to play Pinchie Winchie, sat on the floor with
Greta Garbo,
> horsed around with the Prince of Wales, played ping-pong with George
Gershwin.
> George Bernard Shaw has asked me for advice.  I've basked on the Riviera
with
> Somerset Maugham and Elsa Maxwell.  I've been thrown out of the casino at
Monte
> Carlo.
>
>        - Harpo Marx
>
>
>
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