Hi All <br><br>I just thought i should add my 2 bob's worth to this discussion.<br><br>The
REC credits are often sold/assigned to the installer. You don't have to
sell your credits, but it is often a term of the installer's contract.
For example: Clear Solar buy your credits for $1450. That's OK but the
current price for a REC is $69. So Clear Solar is banking on the cost
of the REC credit to increase to recoup the $1450. After July 2009 the
price is predicted to go up.<br>
see <br><a href="http://www.clearsolar.com.au/New/temp2_hpm/quote.php" target="_blank">http://www.clearsolar.com.au/New/temp2_hpm/quote.php</a><br><br>So the government is not giving you anything if you sell the REC credits to the installer. <br>
<br>nuenergy are giving the system away for free.They are banking on the REC to increase a lot.<br><a href="http://www.nuenergy.com.au/pvsolar.php" target="_blank">http://www.nuenergy.com.au/pvsolar.php</a><br><br>I don't know if the REC will increase but if they do you will not benefit.<br>
see<br><a href="http://www.orer.gov.au/recs/" target="_blank">http://www.orer.gov.au/recs/</a><br><br>So
if the government does change the system (I think they will) then a 1kW
solar system may be worth 105 REC's. If this is the case then Clear
Solar and nuenergy will have a nice winfall, assuming the price does
not fall below $13.80 per REC (it has been as low as $9). <br>
<br>Regardless whether you sell or keep the REC's, the $8,000 from the Australian Government is still a good deal.<br><br>So
think about not selling your REC's to the installer. ( If I had a roof
on the north side of my duplex i would install a solar system, and I
would keep my REC's. ) (I can't get solar) :( )<br>
<br>Also you will be lucky to get 10years from your inverter. <br><br>Nigel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Nigel Zeinert <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nigelz1@gmail.com">nigelz1@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi All <a href="mailto:melbwireless@wireless.org.au" target="_blank">melbwireless@wireless.org.au</a><br>
<br>I just thought i should add my 2 bob's worth to this discussion.<br><br>The REC credits are often sold/assigned to the installer. You don't have to sell your credits, but it is often a term of the installer's contract. For example: Clear Solar buy your credits for $1450. That's OK but the current price for a REC is $69. So Clear Solar is banking on the cost of the REC credit to increase to recoup the $1450. After July 2009 the price is predicted to go up.<br>
see <br><a href="http://www.clearsolar.com.au/New/temp2_hpm/quote.php" target="_blank">http://www.clearsolar.com.au/New/temp2_hpm/quote.php</a><br><br>So the government is not giving you anything if you sell the REC credits to the installer. <br>
<br>nuenergy are giving the system away for free.They are banking on the REC to increase a lot.<br><a href="http://www.nuenergy.com.au/pvsolar.php" target="_blank">http://www.nuenergy.com.au/pvsolar.php</a><br><br>I don't know if the REC will increase but if they do you will not benefit.<br>
see<br><a href="http://www.orer.gov.au/recs/" target="_blank">http://www.orer.gov.au/recs/</a><br><br>So if the government does change the system (I think they will) then a 1kW solar system may be worth 105 REC's. If this is the case then Clear Solar and nuenergy will have a nice winfall, assuming the price does not fall below $13.80 per REC (it has been as low as $9). <br>
<br>Regardless whether you sell or keep the REC's, the $8,000 from the Australian Government is still a good deal.<br><br>So think about not selling your REC's to the installer. ( If I had a roof on the north side of my duplex i would install a solar system, and I would keep my REC's. ) (I can't get solar) :( )<br>
<br>Also you will be lucky to get 10years from your inverter. <br><br>Nigel Zeinert<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/4/17 Peter Buncle <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:peter@nmc.net.au" target="_blank">peter@nmc.net.au</a>></span><div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff">
<p><span><font color="#000000" face="Arial"><quote></font></span></p>
<p><font face="Arial">I'm hoping they have some zenners in that circuit, or the
inverter drawing 2 much will be very un friendly for the poor charge circuit,
sadly there is normally no protection on it. (As there is normally large banks
of batteries to take any slack)<br>You might also want to look at this
issue,<br>The money you get back from this is negligable compared to the amount
they charge for there energy, so the most ecconomical thing to do, is either
detatch from the grid, or make the amount going back into the grid quite small
(by using it yourself),</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">If anyone needs and help / advice, feel free to let me know
as I'm licensed for btg solar systems.<br></font></p></font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></quote></font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">---------------------------------------</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Ahh no offence but w</font></span><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">hat the heck
do zenners have to do with this ???????</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">At last check , the normal function of a zenner diode was to limit
a voltage to it's</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">designed depletion zone break down point.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Not to mention the biggest zenner diode power rating I've seen is
1w , hardly suitable for a 1000w</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">solar system unless properly designed into a
regulator.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span></span><span></span><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">There are **NO** batteries, it's a grid connect system
**ONLY**</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">The configuration is that the panels connect directly to the grid
connect inverter as per a NORMAL</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">grid connect system which is a much better way to do it in metro
anyway !!!!!!!!</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#000000"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#000000"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#000000">Why
waste your time, money and energy on batteries ????? Get a UPS if power
interruption is a concern to you !</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#000000"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#000000">Unless your an off grid user in the bush the losses and
massive cost involved in charging / discharging </font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#000000">batteries make them a waste of time.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#000000"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#000000">And
the thing that really pisses me off with batteries, they are a crap
energy storage medium for cyclic use.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#000000"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#000000">The
recommended discharge on a cyclic system is something like only 30% of their
capacity !!!!!!!!!!!!!</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#000000"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#000000">I
mean WTF !!! Bring on super caps please
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span></span><span><font color="#000000"></font></span><span></span><span><font color="#000000"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#000000"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#000000">But
there are other rebate programs to cover that scenario if there's no option
anyway.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#000000"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#000000"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#000000"></font></span> </div></font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">This system's advantage as per most grid connect systems is by
reducing your power bill by </font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">an average 4kw hours per day where your not drawing that power
from the grid.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">(based on Melbourne's average 4hrs a day ish of sun
hours)</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span></span><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Ie , with this size system it's unlikely you'll put power
back into the grid </font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">but you'll get the saving regardless as .long as your using the
power normally </font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">during the day.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">But the Govt announced a credit system, so you'll get the credit
for the power </font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">against your bill even if you don't use it during the
day.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">At the end of the day it's a great deal , and it's up to you to
claim your 8k gov contribution for this</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">if you see the value or miss out !</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Cheers</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Peter</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><insert suitable qualifications that I may have some
idea></font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font></span> </div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font><br>
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<p>I'm hoping they have some zenners in that circuit, or the inverter drawing 2
much will be very un friendly for the poor charge circuit, sadly there is
normally no protection on it. (As there is normally large banks of batteries to
take any slack)<br>You might also want to look at this issue,<br>The money you
get back from this is negligable compared to the amount they charge for there
energy, so the most ecconomical thing to do, is either detatch from the grid, or
make the amount going back into the grid quite small (by using it yourself),</p>
<p>If anyone needs and help / advice, feel free to let me know as I'm licensed
for btg solar systems.<br></p>
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the<br>opportunity,<br><br><br><br>Some of you may have heard some of us
talk<br>about a deal on a 1kw grid connected solar system,<br><br>Well they're
running the promo again this Saturday<br><br>(althought the deal seems to have
change slightly)<br><br><br>The current deal as I understand it ,<br><br>Get a
13k grid connected solar system for $2500 upfront with<br>$1k post
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off.<br><br>This Saturday only 10 , 12 or 2pm at Clear Solar , 1/137 rooks
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ownership<br>of the property and a drivers lic<br><br><br>It's being
advertised on Gold 104 atm<br><br><br>Quite a few of us opted for the larger
more efficient 2kw inverter too<br>so you can<br>Add more panels later without
inverter
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