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<P><FONT face=Arial>I'm hoping they have some zenners in that circuit, or the
inverter drawing 2 much will be very un friendly for the poor charge circuit,
sadly there is normally no protection on it. (As there is normally large banks
of batteries to take any slack)<BR>You might also want to look at this
issue,<BR>The money you get back from this is negligable compared to the amount
they charge for there energy, so the most ecconomical thing to do, is either
detatch from the grid, or make the amount going back into the grid quite small
(by using it yourself),</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial>If anyone needs and help / advice, feel free to let me know
as I'm licensed for btg solar systems.<BR></FONT></P></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff></quote></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>---------------------------------------</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Ahh no offence but w</FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>hat the heck
do zenners have to do with this ???????</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>At last check , the normal function of a zenner diode was to limit
a voltage to it's</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>designed depletion zone break down point.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Not to mention the biggest zenner diode power rating I've seen is
1w , hardly suitable for a 1000w</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>solar system unless properly designed into a
regulator.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=280230321-16042009></SPAN><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>There are **NO** batteries, it's a grid connect system
**ONLY**</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>The configuration is that the panels connect directly to the grid
connect inverter as per a NORMAL</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>grid connect system which is a much better way to do it in metro
anyway !!!!!!!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#000000></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT color=#000000>Why
waste your time, money and energy on batteries ????? Get a UPS if power
interruption is a concern to you !</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#000000></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT
color=#000000>Unless your an off grid user in the bush the losses and
massive cost involved in charging / discharging </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT
color=#000000>batteries make them a waste of time.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT color=#000000>And
the thing that really pisses me off with batteries, they are a crap
energy storage medium for cyclic use.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT color=#000000>The
recommended discharge on a cyclic system is something like only 30% of their
capacity !!!!!!!!!!!!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT color=#000000>I
mean WTF !!! Bring on super caps please
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=280230321-16042009><FONT color=#000000></FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=280230321-16042009></SPAN><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT color=#000000>But
there are other rebate programs to cover that scenario if there's no option
anyway.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#000000></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></SPAN> </DIV></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>This system's advantage as per most grid connect systems is by
reducing your power bill by </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>an average 4kw hours per day where your not drawing that power
from the grid.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>(based on Melbourne's average 4hrs a day ish of sun
hours)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Ie , with this size system it's unlikely you'll put power
back into the grid </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>but you'll get the saving regardless as .long as your using the
power normally </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>during the day.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>But the Govt announced a credit system, so you'll get the credit
for the power </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>against your bill even if you don't use it during the
day.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>At the end of the day it's a great deal , and it's up to you to
claim your 8k gov contribution for this</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>if you see the value or miss out !</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Peter</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=280230321-16042009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff><insert suitable qualifications that I may have some
idea></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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[mailto:melbwireless-bounces@wireless.org.au] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Adam
Grigolato<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 16 April 2009 12:15 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
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<P>I'm hoping they have some zenners in that circuit, or the inverter drawing 2
much will be very un friendly for the poor charge circuit, sadly there is
normally no protection on it. (As there is normally large banks of batteries to
take any slack)<BR>You might also want to look at this issue,<BR>The money you
get back from this is negligable compared to the amount they charge for there
energy, so the most ecconomical thing to do, is either detatch from the grid, or
make the amount going back into the grid quite small (by using it yourself),</P>
<P>If anyone needs and help / advice, feel free to let me know as I'm licensed
for btg solar systems.<BR></P>
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1<BR>Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:27:18 +1000<BR>From: "Peter Buncle" <<A
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[MLB-WIRELESS] Cheap Grid connected solar system<BR>To: "Melbwireless" <<A
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<D8B6081712400F449FDC8A403E1C4C6D0E07C0@fserver.nmc.local><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR><BR>I / we make no
endorsment of this but thought we'd share
the<BR>opportunity,<BR><BR><BR><BR>Some of you may have heard some of us
talk<BR>about a deal on a 1kw grid connected solar system,<BR><BR>Well they're
running the promo again this Saturday<BR><BR>(althought the deal seems to have
change slightly)<BR><BR><BR>The current deal as I understand it ,<BR><BR>Get a
13k grid connected solar system for $2500 upfront with<BR>$1k post
installation cash back.<BR><BR><BR>And bring a friend and get an extra $250
off.<BR><BR>This Saturday only 10 , 12 or 2pm at Clear Solar , 1/137 rooks
rd,<BR>Vermont<BR><BR>Take your rates notice with your name on the to prove
ownership<BR>of the property and a drivers lic<BR><BR><BR>It's being
advertised on Gold 104 atm<BR><BR><BR>Quite a few of us opted for the larger
more efficient 2kw inverter too<BR>so you can<BR>Add more panels later without
inverter
replacement.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Enjoy,<BR><BR>Cheers<BR><BR>Peter<BR><BR>--<BR>Message
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