Continuing on this train of thought...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Mike Everest <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mike@viewbankrise.net.au">mike@viewbankrise.net.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">G'day Russell,<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> 1. DNS - Currently there is no network wide DNS server that allows you<br>
> to easily put <a href="http://www.kct/" target="_blank">http://www.kct/</a> and get a website. I'd like that to<br>
> change and I'll be working to see if I can change it. This includes<br>
> reverse DNS. IP 10.10.41.8, what nodes does that belong too? a nicely<br>
> labelled PTR record would give you <a href="http://kct.melbourne.wireless.org.au" target="_blank">kct.melbourne.wireless.org.au</a>.<br>
<br>
</div>I reckon that is a very good idea, but there are some implementation issues<br>
that need to be worked through.<br>
<br>
Since MW addresses are private, you can only resolve them with a private<br>
(i.e. internal/local) name server. Everyone who wants to take advantage of<br>
this service must set their default dns lookup resolver to that same system.<br>
<br>
If they run their own DNS system, it is possible to refer requests for<br>
10.10.x.x to your server, but otherwise they would have to use your DNS for<br>
*all* resolution requests - i.e. even <a href="http://google.com" target="_blank">google.com</a> and <a href="http://yahoo.com" target="_blank">yahoo.com</a> etc etc.<br>
<br>
The other way around is not so hard - like resolve<br>
<a href="http://kct.melbourne.wireless.org.au" target="_blank">kct.melbourne.wireless.org.au</a> to an ip address. Actually, I'd suggest that<br>
it would be something more like: <a href="http://kct.node.melbournewireless.org.au" target="_blank">kct.node.melbournewireless.org.au</a><br>
<br>
This way, the node lookup database can be independent of the main DNS zone.<br>
Which leads to the next question: Who manages the MelbourneWireless DNS<br>
anyway?<br>
<br>
Can anyone Answer?<br>
<div class="im"></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im"><br>
> 2. Service listings. Currently in the node database you can put up<br>
> services. There is no way to easily find them. GUR (melp_ap) has the<br>
> best services listing I've found in my short time. I don't know if it's<br>
> updated regularly with new nodes or not but it's something. Integration<br>
> between a service listing, DNS and checking to ensure services are<br>
> active would be great. It will be much easier when all game servers in<br>
> the node db are automatically listed in the right place with extra work<br>
> or manually searching. The same goes for FTP and WWW services.<br>
<br>
</div>I agree. This is something that I have been working on with the SNMP<br>
manager I have set up:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://203.208.92.100:8082/" target="_blank">http://203.208.92.100:8082/</a> - username 'mw' password 'wireless'<br>
<br>
At the moment, it is only probing for http and ping, but it can just as<br>
easily test for other services if set up for them.</blockquote><div><br><font color="#ff0000">Why not set it up to ping for those services then?<br><br>I might trawl through the current list and perhaps build a few pages on the MW Wiki Board listing what IPs are hosting active services, be it a Node Page or something else.<br>
I like playing with Wiki's :)<br></font> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
<div class="im"><br>
> 3. Node up-to-date checks. When a node says it's operational and<br>
> connected to the network, we don't really know that. I've seen at least<br>
> 2 recent incidents saying node XXX really isn't alive anymore or down.<br>
> For people to be able to seriously look at whether there are active<br>
> nodes in their area, they need up to date information about what nodes<br>
> are really running. People generally don't update node information if<br>
> they take their node down when they become disinterested.<br>
<br>
</div>Again, something that I would love to see happen. At the moment, the big<br>
stumbling block is that whoever holds the keys to the web site does not<br>
appear to be interested. I am yet to discover who it is. I think that if<br>
more of us show an interest in getting something done along these lines,<br>
then we are more likely to see it happen.<br>
<div class="im"></div></blockquote><div><br><font color="#ff0000">As an initial manual process could access the HTTP pages of whatever services you find active. When I was poking around some of them had "Welcome to node xxx website" or some such, while it's not much it's a starting point.<br>
<br>I'll happily dig through the FTP results and post up what's accessible and a brief run-down of what content can be found on it.</font><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im"><br>
> 4. It is my understanding that Melbourne wireless does peer into some<br>
> networks that give you content not directly on the network. eg There<br>
> will soon be a link into the Melbourne PC User group servers which has a<br>
> large amount of content. We need to be able to advertise that content<br>
> easily to members of Melbourne Wireless so they know it's available on<br>
> the network. So services listings for services available from the<br>
> network, but not On-net as such. The original dream of providing a free<br>
> data network by MW's founders may be reduced given the commodity price<br>
> of the Internet but there is still great value in the gaming network,<br>
> file mirrors and other content. Being a linux buff, getting updates/iso<br>
> much faster than through my ADSL is great. Let alone those poor soles<br>
> who can't get ADSL. I think the content is growing, people just need to<br>
> know about it.<br>
<br>
</div>Correct amundo. Perhaps a wiki page for that sort of thing? This is<br>
something that can be worked on right now if you wanted to.<br>
<div class="im"></div></blockquote><div><br><font color="#ff0000">As above, happy to build wiki pages with information.</font><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im"><br>
> 5. It may be possible to present some internal content to the Internet<br>
> in the future. eg my <a href="http://www.kct/" target="_blank">http://www.kct/</a> is available on the internet as<br>
> <a href="http://www.kct.melbourne.wireless.org.au/" target="_blank">http://www.kct.melbourne.wireless.org.au/</a> now that would be cool.<br>
<br>
</div>That can be done, but again I would suggest a subdomain like:<br>
<a href="http://kct.live.melbourne.wireless.org.au/" target="_blank">http://kct.live.melbourne.wireless.org.au/</a> so that these hostnames can be<br>
managed independently of the primary zone.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> 6. Network search. I have no idea about search, but being able to<br>
> google Melbourne Wireless WAN would be very exciting! I have no idea<br>
> how to achieve this at the moment. I'm also sure non-pie in the sky<br>
> projects will keep me busy enough.<br>
> </end pie in the sky thoughts><br>
<br>
</div>That can be done using one of a great many web indexing systems. In order<br>
to prime it, we would first need to get something like an snmp manager to<br>
trawl <a href="http://10.10.0.0/16" target="_blank">10.10.0.0/16</a> and discover web servers, and then let the indexer crawl<br>
from that list.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> All that said, my short time being involved in MW still leaves me with<br>
> the question of whether the original reason for setting up MW is still<br>
> valid. There are a number of wireless/radio buffs who love playing with<br>
<br>
</div>That is an entire discussion by itself - best to start a whole new thread<br>
for THAT one! ;-)<br>
<div class="im"></div></blockquote><div><br><font color="#ff0000">There is a page that has some information about becomming a Commerical ISP see : <a href="http://melbournewireless.org.au/wiki/?CommercialISP">http://melbournewireless.org.au/wiki/?CommercialISP</a><br>
But last edited in 2007, so wether or not it's still an idea is another matter.<br></font> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im"><br>
> For me, the access to peer content like linux updates/iso's is a key<br>
> draw card. I don't want to spend $100+ per month on Internet just for<br>
> those files. Sure the radio stuff is fun, but I don't see myself as a<br>
> continual fiddler in that field. I'm a server/linux guy and they ain't<br>
> really doing to change. Playing with the server based services we<br>
> provide is much more fun for me. And thats the area I hope I can<br>
> contribute in.<br>
<br>
</div>Cool - can you write code in any language/s?<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> I'd also say I have big dreams for myself given what I've listed above.<br>
> We will see if I can deliver on what I've mentioned and help always<br>
> appreciated if people think the ideas are good. I hope I can start to<br>
> as I think it will make a difference. We will see...<br>
<br>
</div>I can help you out with a lot of those projects. Some of them I have made a<br>
start on, so feel free to keep talking!<br>
<br>
Cheers, Mike.<br>
<br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Victor ('Daworm')<br>Melbourne Wireless Node: KDJ & KDT<br>AoCWiki Sysop (<a href="http://aoc.wikia.com/">http://aoc.wikia.com/</a>)<br>