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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Victor,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This list, I believe, is well read but seldom replied to. I’ve
made several posts here in the past, and in most the cases you can hear
crickets chirping afterward. I’m honestly not sure *<b>why</b>*
that is the case, but I get the feeling that nobody wants to be seen to be ‘in
charge’ for fear of overstepping the mark of assumed authority…?
I mean, I’ve even sent several emails to ‘the committee’ which
appear to have fallen on deaf ears - I still don’t even know who they are!
;-D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>So for the benefit of all readers, let me lay down what I think
about this topic (i.e. obtaining ‘high visibility sites’) and what
needs to be done in order for it to work properly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you want access to a commercial location, then you will need
to enter into a commercial agreement of some kind, and in order to enter into a
commercial agreement, you need an entity to act on behalf of our (Melbourne Wireless)
behalf. As far as I can tell, this is exactly why MW became an incorporated
entity to begin with: so that there is a legal entity able to enter into
commercially and legally binding agreements and contracts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>But that is all putting the carriage before the horse in the
context of organizing access to good wireless node sites. The HARD part
is getting in the door. And that can footwork can be done by just about
anybody.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you want to try to organise some new nodes, then I suggest
that the first thing you do is to do some footwork of identifying some good
spots, and try to find out who you need to talk to about them. For
example, you mentioned the mecure hotel recently. You might simply ring
them up and ask to talk to someone who manages roof access. Then ring up
that person and straight out ask them. Say that you represent Melbourne
Wireless, “</span><span class=content>a non-profit group aiming to
establish a fast, free, metropolitan area wireless network based on existing
off-the-shelf <a href="http://www.melbournewireless.org.au/wiki/?802.11b">802.11</a>
based equipment</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>” (lifted right off the web site) and you would like to
talk about obtaining access to the roof for purposes of a wireless node. The
response will be one of a few possibilities:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sure, it will cost $x,000 per year/month<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’m not interested, piss off<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sounds reasonable, send me a detailed proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Obviously the first two responses are a dead end. If you
get the third response, then let’s talk. I have plenty of
background in drawing up these sort of proposals, so I can certainly chip in at
that point and help out.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The only thing remaining, then, is to make sure that we are authorised
to act on behalf of MelbourneWireless, and my suggested tactic to ensure that
is as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Pay your
membership. It’s only $20 a year (at least until the next AGM) –
which is arguably optional, since many of the committee members are allegedly
non-financial at the moment! :-D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>b.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Announce
your intentions in the list (and perhaps copy to <a
href="mailto:committee@melbournewireless.org.au">committee@melbournewireless.org.au</a>)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:54.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>c.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Go
ahead and do it. (Sure, you can’t sign on behalf of MW, but you can at
least get to the point of shoving an agreement under the nose of the MW
president for sign-off!)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>One more thing: the AGM is (apparently) next
meeting. It hasn’t been ‘officially’ announced yet, so
I may as well do it ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I encourage you to come along and meet some of the committee
members – whoever they are – which is a good way to get some
answers since they can’t ignore you (as easily) when you are there in
person! :-D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Cheers!<br>
<br>
Mike.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
melbwireless-bounces@wireless.org.au
[mailto:melbwireless-bounces@wireless.org.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Victor<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 1 March 2009 9:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> melbwireless@wireless.org.au<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Query: Organising High-Visibility Sites in
Geelong Region.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>*bump*<br>
<br>
Any advice anyone?<br>
Is this read much at all or ?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Victor <<a
href="mailto:dawormie@gmail.com">dawormie@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Greetings Everyone,<br>
<br>
New to the Melbourne Wireless group but not new to the idea (I've been
semi-interested for a while, just never had much spare time (or my own place)
to really get it into gear).<br>
<br>
Now that I have my own place (and spare time!!) I'm setting up shop.<br>
<br>
I'll initially be connecting through Node KBN (<a href="http://freenet.net.au"
target="_blank">freenet.net.au</a>) which has a link setup accross the bay from
Highton to ... I forget where off the top of my head.<br>
<br>
<br>
But I'm also interested in configuring some more high-visibility sites
in/around geelong area and trying to build up the wifi side of things and get
more people on board and build up a big net.<br>
<br>
<br>
The main thing I need is direction, what are some of things I'll need to
consider first about organising high-visibility spots? (Assuming I can get in
contact with the right people and get it happening) I have been talking to Mike
Everest (node KBN) and he's suggested I approach melbourne wireless group for
more information as one of things that is/will be needed is an incorporated
body, which I am under the belief melb wireless already has.<br>
<br>
So from here so far, what is needed? What would I need to do / organise etc. to
try get some things rolling?<br>
I'm looking at about 1-2 months at the most to trying to organise access to have
look to setting up some high-visibility locations, I have some in mind but I'll
approach that bridge when I past the first hurdle of getting all the initial
knowledge first.<br>
Not so much how to / what to setup, but more so what to do/say/ask/etc. to convince
those in relevant positions to give permission to use their site.<br>
<br>
<br>
Looking forward to learning more!<br clear=all>
<span style='color:#888888'><br>
-- <br>
Victor ('Daworm')<br>
Melbourne Wireless Node: <b>KDJ </b>(<i><u>gathering</u></i>)<br>
AoCWiki Sysop (<a href="http://aoc.wikia.com/" target="_blank">http://aoc.wikia.com/</a>)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
-- <br>
Victor ('Daworm')<br>
AoCWiki Sysop (<a href="http://aoc.wikia.com/">http://aoc.wikia.com/</a>)<o:p></o:p></p>
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