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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Lol – hey Mike </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Wingdings;color:black'>J</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>, having started
Singapore Telecoms operations in Australia with Wee Kee Long and Graeme Ridler when
they spun out international data services sales from their AAPT holdings in
1997 means I might have an idea or two </span></font><font size=2 color=black
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>But that’s a discussion for another
time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The real issue is local access via ULL or
wireless.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Dean Collins<br>
Cognation Pty Ltd<br>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><a
href="mailto:dean@cognation.net" title="mailto:dean@cognation.net"><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>dean@cognation.net</span></font><span
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title="mailto:dean@cognation.net"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'></span></span></font></a></span></font><st2:dial
w:st="on"><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>+1-212-203-4357</span></font></st2:dial><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> Ph<br>
<st2:dial w:st="on">+1-917-207-3420</st2:dial> Mb<br>
<st2:dial w:st="on">+61-2-9016-5642</st2:dial> (<ST1:CITY u1:st="on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Sydney</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></st1:place></st1:City>
in-dial).</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Mike Dickens
[mailto:michaeldickens@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 19 June 2007 11:01
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Dean Collins<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Melb Wireless<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] WiMAX
to go <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region>
wide?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I don't mean to be
offensive, but I don't think you entirely know what you're talking about.<br>
<br>
The cost of bandwidth is very high here for one simple reason - we're a damn
island in the middle of nowhere ;). Access to the Southern Cross Cable network
(the main link out of Australia, running from Sydney to the US via undersea
cables) is expensive for all parties (ISPs *and* webhosts). The cost for simply
getting onto the link connecting us to the US (and as such, the rest of the
world) is prohibitevily expensive, and obviously a cost US-based hosts don't
have to pay (they're already in the country they need access to). <br>
<br>
You are right on one point though - residential internet prices are inflated.
It's not the fault of individual ISPs though - it is, as usual, a Telstra
problem. Now, I'm not a diehard anti-Telstra guy (why not, you ask :P), but if
you hang around Whirlpool (and I'm sure a lot of you do) you'll know that ADSL
ports (per customer) are wholesaled to ISPs at ridiculous prices. For example,
an (up to, optionally throttled to 3 mbit if Telstra don't have the backhaul..)
8 mbit port is over $50 (excl GST). This doesn't take into account the ISP must
also pay for your backhaul from the Telstra exchange to their local POP (point
of presence, most have one in each state). From here, they must get it to <st1:City
w:st="on">Sydney</st1:City> (some ISPs do this via Telstra, others such as
Internode maintain their own national network), and then to the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>. Those are
the BARE costs of running an ISP. Chuck in expenses such as Wages for support
staff, etc, and you can see it really adds up. Of course, the fact Telstra
receive more than your actual ISP does for simply managing to have a monopoly
is ridiculous too. <br>
<br>
As it stands though, it appears nothing is going to change. Your average person
thinks Telstra is the butter on their bread, and the fact the government is
"holding them back" is appaling. You should read some of the letters
featured in The Herald Sun on the matter. <br>
<br>
Sorry for rambling, it's late.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 6/20/07, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Dean
Collins</span></b> <<a href="mailto:Dean@cognation.net">Dean@cognation.net</a>>
wrote:</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Yep totally agree about bandwidth monitoring for residential internet<br>
access in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region>
being outdated - though I think this is more an<br>
issue around lack of competition than actual base charges.<br>
<br>
And yep you are right - no reason to host locally in <st1:country-region w:st="on">Australia</st1:country-region>,
far <br>
cheaper to hire bandwidth in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region> (though again I think this is
due<br>
to increased competition more than anything else).<br>
<br>
I'm finding a real 'mind shift' in the last 12 months when I help my<br>
Australian clients about 'right sourcing' resources. <br>
<br>
Whether a web site is hosted in <st1:country-region w:st="on">Australia</st1:country-region>,
<st1:country-region w:st="on">USA</st1:country-region> or <st1:place w:st="on">Europe</st1:place>
doesn't really<br>
matter. Likewise when dealing with internet delivered intellectual<br>
property it doesn't matter where the 'ip ownership' is incorporated. <br>
<br>
A number of countries offer various advantages depending on your<br>
requirements.<br>
<br>
REPEAT AFTER ME - THIS IS NOT ABOUT TAX EVASION.<br>
<br>
This is simply that should you be developing a technology that doesn't <br>
require physical delivery of anything then you have the freedom to<br>
choose the domicile of that intellectual property asset.<br>
<br>
When dealing with anything on the internet you need to ask yourself does<br>
this really need to be located here. <br>
<br>
EG does my call really need to be answered in <st1:City w:st="on">Sydney</st1:City>
or does <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Singapore</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
make more sense. Or if I'm responding to my clients email questions can<br>
I deliver these out of the Czech republic faster/cheaper/better etc. <br>
<br>
As for bandwidth access, I think a lot will change in the next few years<br>
- as you are not really reliant on your ISP for email, spam control, web<br>
hosting or even voip services there is a real opportunity for fat dumb <br>
raw IP pipes to deliver everything you need and then for you to chose al<br>
la carte as to which vendor provides you your other services.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Dean Collins<br>
Cognation Pty Ltd<br>
<a href="mailto:dean@cognation.net">dean@cognation.net</a><br>
<st2:dial w:st="on">+1-212-203-4357</st2:dial> Ph<br>
<st2:dial w:st="on">+61-2-9016-5642</st2:dial> (<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Sydney</st1:place></st1:City> in-dial).<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Tony Langdon, VK3JED [mailto:<a href="mailto:vk3jed@optushome.com.au">vk3jed@optushome.com.au
</a>]<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:51 AM<br>
> To: Dean Collins; David Ashburner; Melb Wireless<br>
> Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] WiMAX to go <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region> wide?<br>
><br>
> At 11:05 PM 6/19/2007, Dean Collins wrote: <br>
><br>
> >Their attitudes to restricting access to copper and exchanges is<br>
what's<br>
> >holding <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region>
back.<br>
> ><br>
> >There are areas in NY that are less populated than where I live in <br>
> ><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Sydney</st1:place></st1:City>
however I can sign up for 8mb cable with no issues at all.<br>
> ><br>
> >Stick that in your data statistics argument.<br>
><br>
> I tend to agree with you. The observations I notice most are
that <br>
> (1) Many people in outer suburbs have issues getting access to<br>
> broadband (this has improved in recent years but still a way to go).<br>
><br>
> (2) Bandwidth costs in <st1:country-region w:st="on">Australia</st1:country-region>,
even in the major centres appear to <br>
> be around 10x that of many overseas countries (US, <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>,
etc). I came<br>
> to this conclusion after pricing comparable hosting services here and<br>
> overseas. While in many cases I could find similar monthly
charges, <br>
> the included monthly data transfer for Australian based services was<br>
> around 10% of any of the overseas offerings. This has led to
the<br>
> strange situation that I now spend more time administering servers in <br>
> the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>
than ones located locally, because my clients are hiring where<br>
> it's cost effective.<br>
><br>
> 73 de VK3JED<br>
> <a href="http://vkradio.com">http://vkradio.com</a><br>
<br>
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