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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ratbaggy is right on the money with the
Telstra Countrywide stuff. Telstra have been heavily involved with the Jamboree’s
previously, even working with competitors (i.e. Optus at the Sydney Jamboree)
to get the site online.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Remember most of the time the kids are
there to be outside and not really concentrating on the internet or technology
as such. There is technology bases for GPS use etc, but the key is more “scoutcraft”
directed events. Also socializing and learning to get along better with their
peers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Without knocking the proposal, at this
stage it is getting a bit late to organize all of this as most of the corporate
deals for connectivity would have already been decided on. Site connectivity
has been handled by Cisco previously and the use of Aironet at <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Sydney</st1:place></st1:City>. LRE was used at <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Adelaide</st1:place></st1:City> over the copious amounts of phone
cabling throughout the place. I think the Elmore site does have quite a bit of
infrastructure there also.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am a Rover now, and I have been in
scouting since a tacker. I have also been to the last 2 Jamboree’s as a
leader and have contacts in the existing event. So I can provide advice on how
the site runs. I was on the IT&T team at <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Adelaide</st1:place></st1:City> working on the phone system and
network itself.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Matty<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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melbwireless-bounces@wireless.org.au
[mailto:melbwireless-bounces@wireless.org.au] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Ratbaggy<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 8 February 2006
11:59 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> melbwireless@wireless.org.au<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [MLB-WIRELESS]
Proposal: MWRP at Scouts Jamboree</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The nearest high ground is <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Mt.</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Burrumboot</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>
where Telstra have their base station which is indeed used to cover the Elmore
field days site. There are also a few other towers on the hill for local
two way radio services etc. Mt Burrumboot has excellent views over some
pretty flat country. It is fully cleared with a good track to the top but
alas it is on private property, the track starts next to the farmers
house.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>So to use the site, one would either have to swing a deal
with one of the existing tennants or get permission from the farmer to set up
in the paddock where we would need to arrange our own power.
(Multiply this by at least 5 sites if we want to bring it up all the way from <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Melbourne</st1:place></st1:City>)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Given the distances involved I think the only real option
would be to pull intermet from DSL somewhere in Elmore. Relay it (if
required) to the Jamboree site and then do some hotspots etc. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Then again, things have changed a lot in the last 5 years
and you may find the big T (or other carriers) are involved. I would be
very surpised if there were no phones on site and given that, how hard would it
be to get DSL directly to site.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Telstra Countrywide are big into making a name for
themselves these days and thrive on getting involved with events like
this. They even set up a temporary base station (free to the organisers)
at the Meredith music festival. So if we are serious we'll probably
need to make an offer to the scouts early before someone else jumps in!
Or at least check if they already have a sponsor or are interested at all.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Rtabaggy.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:melbwireless@gnieslaw.com" title="melbwireless@gnieslaw.com">Simon
(NodeIRC)</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:melbwireless@wireless.org.au" title="melbwireless@wireless.org.au">melbwireless@wireless.org.au</a>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wednesday,
February 08, 2006 12:45 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> [MLB-WIRELESS]
Proposal: MWRP at Scouts Jamboree<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Introduction:<br>
The Scouts are having their Jamboree (National Camp) next year in <st1:City
w:st="on">Elmore</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Victoria</st1:State> (North
of Melbourne, near <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Bendigo</st1:place></st1:City>).
Having been in Scouts and having been to the Jamboree in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Sydney</st1:place></st1:City>(2000), I remember that the Internet
access was totally unreliable and unbearably slow. The idea before I left for <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Sydney</st1:place></st1:City> was to post the Scout
Troop's activities and photos for the parents to see at home from our Troop's
website. In practice I had to queue in front of a small portable room for an
hour, just to get five minutes of Internet Access. (A Scout Troop is a
contingent from a Scout Group)<br>
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The portable room consisted of the most unstable recycled hardware which caused
constant crashes (which seemed like every 5 seconds). The Internet connection
consisted of a Satellite connection downstream, and a 28.8k modem connection
upstream (shared with 15 PCs). I am not exaggerating, and it definitely wasn't
enough to get anything done. <br>
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The Scout are expecting 13,000 scouts. I'm not sure how many Troops are going
to be there (each one would probably have 1 or 2 leaders that would be using
the Internet Access to communicate back to the families). I don't know how
large the site is either (I'm guessing at least a few square kilometers). <br>
<br>
Melbourne Wireless currently has a relationship with the Hawthorn Scouts. We
use their hall and we helped them run a Wi-Fi wide game.<br>
<br>
Proposal:<br>
I propose that Melbourne Wireless initiate a partnership with the Scout
Association to deploy MWRP nodes to blanket the camp site with 802.11b/g,
deploy a long distance Bi-Directional link back to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Melbourne</st1:place></st1:City>. The Scouts (with all of their
influence) could organise an Internet backbone with a large ISP (Like how
Telstra provided the poor Internet connection and hardware in Sydney 2000).
Implementing filtering/proxy/cache/authentication (Open Source/Free ie:
ICRAplus , Squid, ChilliSpot) shouldn't be too hard, but let's not count our
chickens before they hatch.<br>
<br>
If this proposal is popular with Melbourne Wireless, is successfully presented
to the Scouts, and they accept our proposal, we will be building a stronger
relationship with the Scout Association. In return for providing a wireless
network for a the Jamboree, the nodes can be redeployed at various Scout Halls
to help with our 'Backbone' upon conclusion of the camp. The equipment would
belong to the Scout Association (and is theirs to redeploy at their Scout
halls), so it would be expected that they pay the equipment costs. <br>
<br>
It would also be a practical testing opportunity for the MWRP nodes, under real
load conditions.<br>
<br>
Benefits to us: <br>
- MWRP testing opportunity<br>
- A way to get financing for MWRP nodes (even if we don't own them) <br>
- Relationship with a large organisation with city wide physical infrastructure
(scout halls)<br>
- Exposure to scouting members (potential MW members with expertise in
Linux/Networking/RF)<br>
- Exposure for regular members to connect to the MW network <br>
<br>
Benefits to them:<br>
- Complete infrastructure to provide Scout Troops (Scout Leaders and permitted
Scouts) with Internet Access using their own equipment (Laptops with Wi-fi -
Troops can source one to borrow from one of the families if none of the leaders
have one) during Jamboree to communicate with parents and keep a Diary of their
Adventure. <br>
- After Jamboree, the Scouts will have direct access to the MW network for
their own uses (ie: Wi-Fi Wide Game like Hawthorn Scouts, Reduced Internet
Access costs by not having to subscribe to an ISP for low-level usage 4 times a
month). <br>
- A mutual relationship with another community organisation (Melbourne
Wireless) which is a positive thing.<br>
<br>
I would also like this bring this up at this Friday's meeting, if there is a
positive response from the list. <br>
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Opinions? Feedback?<br>
<br>
- Simon Gnieslaw.<br>
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Useful Links:<br>
<a href="http://www.getinthegame.com.au/content_new_photos.htm" target="_blank">http://www.getinthegame.com.au/content_new_photos.htm
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<a href="http://www.aj2007.org.au/" target="_blank">http://www.aj2007.org.au/</a><br>
<a href="http://www.getinthegame.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.getinthegame.com.au/</a><br>
<a href="http://www.vicscouts.getinthegame.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.vicscouts.getinthegame.com.au/</a><br>
<a href="http://www.scouts.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.scouts.com.au/</a><br>
<a href="http://www.scouts.asn.au/" target="_blank">http://www.scouts.asn.au/</a><br>
<a href="http://www.vicscouts.asn.au/" target="_blank">http://www.vicscouts.asn.au/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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