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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Isn't funny how the pot is calling the cattle black? I would like to
remind everyone that as I can recall the previous committee made the same sort
of judgement call on things WITHOUT membership consultation. Yes agree committee
should have conveyed these intentions to members, but albeit I think the committee
has made a right discission, and I congratulate them for doing this.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>How many times we from the foothills (especially Sneeze) had requested
mailing list for our region? And Ryan had to use Yahoo. Who is in control of
mailing list creation then?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Who says we have to totally move domain. We can use both domains can’t
we?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Rob<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-melbwireless@wireless.org.au [mailto:owner-melbwireless@wireless.org.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>rick<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, 1 November 2003 <st1:time
Minute="30" Hour="18" w:st="on">6:30 PM</st1:time><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Steven Haigh;
melbwireless@wireless.org.au<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [MLB-WIRELESS]
Reality Bites - Was: node names - conventions and sub domains</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>steve you votes in teh commitee right?, as
did other people, the commitee is there to work on our behalf, they dont need
to ask each of us if they can pick there noses, they are doing what they belive
is right on behalf of melbourne wireless, afterall its not "steve's
melbourne wireless" is it? </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
owner-melbwireless@wireless.org.au [mailto:owner-melbwireless@wireless.org.au]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Steven Haigh<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, 1 November 2003 <st1:time
Minute="41" Hour="17" w:st="on">5:41 PM</st1:time><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> txrx@eridu.net; melbwireless@wireless.org.au<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> committee@wireless.org.au<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [MLB-WIRELESS]
Reality Bites - Was: node names - conventions and sub domains</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>ohh - this is great.. I think... but wait... as a paying
member of Melbourne Wireless, where was the consultation of the membership
before these rather major decisions were made? I don't recall hearing anything
along these lines before.. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>All discussions I've had with Tyson, and some other
committee members haven't mentioned anything about changing domain etc... Yes,
I was aware you guys are putting together your own server, and have been for
quite some time - always with the result of 'it's almost ready'... </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>As a paying member, I am also disapointed in the current
committee for their lack of voice on most issues. I forget the last time I
actually heard what was going on in the committee, and I certainly haven't
heard the direction in which MW is supposed to be heading.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I think moving domains is a major issue, as we have already
established a major awareness of melbourne.wireless.org.au... I draw
inspiration for the Wireless Institute of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region> (<a
href="http://www.wia.org.au">www.wia.org.au</a>) when looking at how I believe
*.wireless.org.au should be set up... The AWA was supposed to be a voice for
all wireless groups, but flopped. Mainly because they were involved in actually
deploying a network.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I have been active in Melbourne Wireless ever since it's
inception, but with the lack of communication between he committee and it's
members, there is no reason for me to even renew my membership at this point -
as I don't hear anything from them anyway. This is a major problem, and needs
to be addressed before thinking about making major changes that threaten the
stability of the group as a whole.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
-- <br>
Signed,<br>
Steven Haigh<br>
<a href="http://wireless.org.au">http://wireless.org.au</a><br>
(Visit <a href="https://wireless.org.au">https://wireless.org.au</a> to install
our Root Certificate.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think.<br>
We have enough youth. What we need is a fountain of smart.<br>
I am root. If you see me laughing, you better have a backup.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:txm@optusnet.com.au" title="txm@optusnet.com.au">Troy Mitchell</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:melbwireless@wireless.org.au" title="melbwireless@wireless.org.au">melbwireless@wireless.org.au</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Saturday, <st1:date
Year="2003" Day="01" Month="11" ls="trans" w:st="on">November 01, 2003</st1:date>
<st1:time Minute="29" Hour="13" w:st="on">1:29 PM</st1:time><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE: [MLB-WIRELESS]
node names - conventions and sub domains<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>In the near future, melbourne.wireless.org.au
will be hosted on a<br>
different machine than w.o.a, this has been in progress for some<br>
months, Steve is fully aware of this.<br>
We (the MW Committee) have discussed packages, deployment and policy for<br>
the new server and many of the suggestions (including nodexxx domain<br>
redirects) made over the last 12 months have been already been<br>
implemented.<br>
We now own the melbournewireless.org.au domain, and our intention is to<br>
use this as the primary domain on the new server.<br>
All of our mailing lists will also be moved over to the new server as<br>
part of the migration.<br>
Further details coming, when we have them.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Troy Mitchell. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>on behalf of the Melbourne Wireless
Committee<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
owner-melbwireless@wireless.org.au [mailto:owner-melbwireless@wireless.org.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Steven Haigh<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, 1 November 2003 <st1:time
Minute="23" Hour="11" w:st="on">11:23 AM</st1:time><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Steven;
melbwireless@wireless.org.au<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] node
names - conventions and sub domains</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I'm probably the best person to answer this at this
point....</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The current wireless.org.au (w.o.a) was set up very quickly
- by three people working on it at the same time, and completed overnight. This
was because of a hardware failure, and we had no presence. We had to compromise
flexibility for a quick turnaround.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Back then, MW was hosted on w.o.a - but for both political
and functionality reasons, MW was moved to melbourne.w.o.a.. w.o.a is kind of
in limbo at this point until the server is replaced with Evolution 4.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Evolution 4 is the 4th complete rebuild of the w.o.a server
since version 1 back in 2000... E4 will have new hardware (and we may need some
help obtaining a few items - specifically 2 x new 80Gb hdd's, raid card etc)
but will be based on a dual P3 800, probably 1Gb of RAM... This should keep up
with requirements for the forseeable future.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>On the software side, the security will be greatly improved,
as well as runing latest versions of everything. All groups will be on their
location.w.o.a url, as well as generic mailing lists such as <a
href="mailto:list@melbourne.w.o.a">list@melbourne.w.o.a</a>, <a
href="mailto:list@geelong.w.o.a">list@geelong.w.o.a</a> etc etc. This will
hopefully make thing much simpler for both existing groups, and new groups to
use the services of w.o.a...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>As for using nodexxx.w.o.a, under the future plans, it will
not be possible to do this, as it is not group specific... it may happen later
down the track as nodexxx.melbourne.w.o.a, but I can't confirm anything at this
stage.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Signed,<br>
Steven Haigh<br>
<a href="http://wireless.org.au">http://wireless.org.au</a><br>
(Visit <a href="https://wireless.org.au">https://wireless.org.au</a> to install
our Root Certificate.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think.<br>
We have enough youth. What we need is a fountain of smart.<br>
I am root. If you see me laughing, you better have a backup.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:saandss@iinet.net.au" title="saandss@iinet.net.au">Steven</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:melbwireless@wireless.org.au" title="melbwireless@wireless.org.au">melbwireless@wireless.org.au</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Saturday, <st1:date
Year="2003" Day="01" Month="11" ls="trans" w:st="on">November 01, 2003</st1:date>
<st1:time Minute="35" Hour="10" w:st="on">10:35 AM</st1:time><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> [MLB-WIRELESS]
node names - conventions and sub domains<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>HI,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I was wondering why since the naming convention for node is
nodeXXX.wireless.org.au or XXX.wireless.org.au (XXX=node ID) then why not make
the sub domain link to a web page on the Melbwireless web site. For example,
the address XXX.wireless.org.au could link to the wiki page for that node. Or at
least make that sub domain available for the node owner for uploading/editing.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Is this possible. I don't see that it would be to hard to
add the sub domains or is there a policy against this.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Regards,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Steve</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Arial'>nodeFSE</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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