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<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN class=267412501-12052003>There are
some other major advantages of using an extention of global domain naming
standards (and leaving the DNS server internet connected). It means that private
IP DNS cache could be stored on a readily accessable place.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
class=267412501-12052003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN class=267412501-12052003>The problem
with the way the melbwireless network is evolving is that if a key link goes
down that links you to your closest nameserver, you lose your ability
to resolve host names. This could be avoided by EVERY node running a caching
nameserver, but I think it's already difficult enough for people to administer
wireless gateways/firewalls/etc without adding additional
burdens.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
class=267412501-12052003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN class=267412501-12052003>If, however,
we separate out a portion of the wireless.org.au subdomain to use for private IP
naming, then it means anyone who is internet connected can slave off a master
(or alternate) DNS server (or possibly just a cache).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
class=267412501-12052003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN class=267412501-12052003>I would be
making my node's private DNS publicly accessable either way
:)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
class=267412501-12052003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN class=267412501-12052003>If we don't
want to to be confusing, we can partition it with a 'wireless TLD',
eg:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
class=267412501-12052003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN class=267412501-12052003><A
href="http://www.fennscrazystuff.smelb.wan.melbourne.wireless.org.au">fenn.smelb.wan.melbourne.wireless.org.au</A> (or
whatever - the idea being that *.wan.melbwireless.org.au is private
IP).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
class=267412501-12052003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN class=267412501-12052003>Alternatives
could be:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
class=267412501-12052003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
class=267412501-12052003>fenn.smelb.melbourne.wan.wireless.org.au</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN class=267412501-12052003>or
abbreviations of that, eg:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
class=267412501-12052003>*.mlb.wan.wireless.org.au</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN class=267412501-12052003>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
class=267412501-12052003>*.syd.wan.wireless.org.au</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
class=267412501-12052003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN class=267412501-12052003>etc,
etc.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
class=267412501-12052003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN class=267412501-12052003>We have this
lovely wireless.org.au domain - I suggest we use it
:)</SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
class=267412501-12052003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
class=267412501-12052003> Fenn.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
owner-melbwireless@wireless.org.au [mailto:owner-melbwireless@wireless.org.au]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ben Holko<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, 12 May 2003 11:10
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Matthew Hill; Melbourne Wireless<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[MLB-WIRELESS] Melbwirelses DNS and Domain Names<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=615520801-12052003><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff
size=2>yeah, but that matters little. We'd just need a couple of internet
connected nodes that can talk to the mw authoritative
nameservers.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=615520801-12052003><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=615520801-12052003><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff
size=2>B.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=615520801-12052003><FONT face=Verdana color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Matthew Hill
[mailto:matthew.hill@matthewhillonline.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 12,
2003 11:03 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ben Holko; Melbourne Wireless<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Melbwirelses DNS and Domain Names<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Ben,the only problem with that is that we
arent as far as i know using internet routable address'.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>matt</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Ben.Holko@GlobalCenter.net.au
href="mailto:Ben.Holko@GlobalCenter.net.au">Ben Holko</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=melbwireless@wireless.org.au
href="mailto:melbwireless@wireless.org.au">melbwireless@wireless.org.au</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 12, 2003 10:43
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [MLB-WIRELESS]
Melbwirelses DNS and Domain Names</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I like the idea of the region, but I think it's better to
use global DNS<BR>structure.<BR><BR>eg:
nodexxx.cen.melbourne.wireless.org.au<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:owner-melbwireless@wireless.org.au">owner-melbwireless@wireless.org.au</A><BR>[mailto:owner-melbwireless@wireless.org.au]On
Behalf Of Ryan Abbenhuys<BR>Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:23 AM<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:melbwireless@wireless.org.au">melbwireless@wireless.org.au</A><BR>Subject:
[MLB-WIRELESS] Melbwirelses DNS and Domain Names<BR><BR><BR>So, is there
anything happening with regards to some sort of domain<BR>structure on the
network? Anyone from WGRouting&Addressing looking at this<BR>at
the moment?<BR><BR>I've started messing with domain names over our
way. Now bear with me here<BR>because I don't know much about it or
the terminology....<BR><BR>Here's a few thoughts.<BR><BR>We need something
we all use that signifies we're melbwireless.<BR>e.g. .wan
.mw .melw<BR><BR>then perhaps something to signify regional
areas.<BR>e.g. .oef (outer east&foothills) .inn (inner north) .cen
(central)<BR><BR>so you'd end up with something say <A
href="http://www.wantirna-ap1.oef.mw">www.wantirna-ap1.oef.mw</A><BR><BR>Now
there's of course the other school of thought that we use domain
names<BR>that fit in with the rest of the world. But my feeling is that
this comes<BR>back we're going to need globaly routable IP's, etc
then....And some<BR>internet feeds, at which point you're looking at a
wireless network with<BR>open internet access, which is playing with fire
in my opinion.<BR><BR>What are other peoples thoughts/ideas?<BR><BR>To
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