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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Darren,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But the catch is that you need a carrier to go into
bat for you to grant this nominated carrier declaration to you on their
behalf.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You need to come up with the money for the NCD, it
is only a once off payment though.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Robert Farrar</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=darrend@ndpgroup.com.au
href="mailto:darrend@ndpgroup.com.au">darrend@ndpgroup.com.au</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=robert@secnet.com.au
href="mailto:robert@secnet.com.au">Robert Farrar</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 01, 2002 10:33
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Legal
Internet access to members?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>kewl... thanks robert, thats
what I was looking for.... I knew it was in there somewhere! what a
bargain... lol</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>:)</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>See ya,</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>Darren Dreis<BR>IT Manager<BR>NDP Consulting<BR>Tel 03 9548 9444
Fax 03 9548 9040<BR></FONT><BR><BR><BR>
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<TD><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><B>"Robert Farrar" <<A
href="mailto:robert@secnet.com.au">robert@secnet.com.au</A>></B></FONT>
<P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>01/11/2002 09:54 PM</FONT> <BR></P>
<TD><FONT face=Arial size=1> </FONT><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=1> To:
<<A
href="mailto:darrend@ndpgroup.com.au">darrend@ndpgroup.com.au</A>></FONT>
<BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=1> cc:
<melbwireless@wireless.org.au></FONT>
<BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=1> Subject:
Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Legal Internet access to
members?</FONT></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello
Darren</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>The fee for a nominated Carrier Declaration is $3411.10, you
will find a guide to both Carrier & nominated carrier licencing at :-
</FONT><A href="http://www.aca.gov.au/licence/carrier_index.htm"><FONT
face=Arial color=blue
size=2><U>http://www.aca.gov.au/licence/carrier_index.htm</U></FONT></A>
<BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Regards,</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Robert Farrar</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>----- Original Message ----- </FONT><BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><B>From:</B> </FONT><A
href="mailto:darrend@ndpgroup.com.au"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue
size=3><U>darrend@ndpgroup.com.au</U></FONT></A><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><B>To:</B> </FONT><A
href="mailto:melbwireless@wireless.org.au"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=blue size=3><U>melbwireless@wireless.org.au</U></FONT></A><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><B>Cc:</B> </FONT><A href="mailto:craig.mead@pagesmith.com.au"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=blue
size=3><U>craig.mead@pagesmith.com.au</U></FONT></A><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 01, 2002 5:35 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><B>Subject:</B> Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Legal
Internet access to members?</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR>Craig... you're right. This would constitute commercial use.
</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR>Although you'll note that a nominated declaration applies to a
network unit. Under these guidlines, the ACA would determine each AP to be a
network unit! ie the provider would have to make a declaration for each AP
they use to transmit their data. <BR><dont quote me on this>From memory
the charge for making such a declaration is atleast $3k, making it cheaper and
easier for them to roll out their own infrastructure.</dont quote me on
this> (it's somewhere on the aca site... cant remember) Either that or use
infrastructure already in place by those carrier wholesale sharks!</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>As
far as use by 'members' without additional charge, contract or service level
agreements, the members would be considered 'inner circle' to the network
units, thus not requiring carrier status. Access to the public will be a whole
different matter.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR></FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Shame no one is giving bandwidth away
:(</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR><BR></FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Darren Dreis<BR>Vice President</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR>Melbourne Wireless
Inc.<BR>vicepresident@wireless.org.au</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR>http://www.wireless.org.au</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR></FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><BR><BR><BR></FONT>
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<TD width="38%"><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><B>"Craig Mead"
<craig.mead@pagesmith.com.au></B></FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif
size=1><BR>Sent by: owner-melbwireless@wireless.org.au</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>01/11/2002 03:20 PM</FONT><FONT
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<syd-wireless@lists.sydneywireless.com>,
<melbwireless@wireless.org.au></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
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Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] Legal Internet
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size=3><BR></FONT><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><BR>| Hello
Steven,<BR>|<BR>| Pity about the AUPs and 3 gig download limits with excess
charges<BR>| though huh?<BR><BR><BR>We've had quite a few ISP's talk to us
about bandwith, however, it was not<BR>donating it, it was selling it over our
network to end users, making it no<BR>longer non-commercial....or does
it?<BR><BR>If we give them permission to transmit over our links and make a
x%<BR>"donation" of the monthly fee per user they have on the network are
we<BR>considered commercial? Even so it is transmitting from one network
onto<BR>another going outside the "closed loop" therefore we would at least
require<BR>at minumum a carriers declaration.<BR><BR>I think its definitely
one to talk to the lawyers about.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>To unsubscribe: send mail
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