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On 05/07/02 10:06 AM, Tony Langdon wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">would then you be legaly allowed to use that net access?<br><br></pre>
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<pre wrap="">If you are fraudulently calling us employees? Of course not.<br></pre>
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<pre wrap=""><!----><br>But if we're getting paid to field test the "company's wireless network"?<br>:-)<br></pre>
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regardless, legality test would require someone to sue us... either gov't
or private.<br>
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so the real issue is not getting sued. because lets face it, all it takes
to shut it down is a threat to sue and be sure if you make serious inroads
on _anybodies_ customer base, you are going to have problems.<br>
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time for a rant... (RFC)<br>
(disclaimer - On the whole, this is my opinion. I may be wrong. I have been
talking to some people in the industry who may or may not be well informed
and this has structured my opinion. I am open to correction and clarification)<br>
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TANSTAAFL!<br>
internet access and community wireless: incompatable bed fellows?<br>
I can see numerous technical solutions to the whole broadband wireless internet
access issue. some work better than others. but what will be the sticking
point IMHO is the regulatory issues.<br>
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Technical solutions - <br>
shared broadband connections - DSL or cable connection to access node, shared
amoungst friends/members geographically local and connected - fibre or wireless.<br>
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regulatory problems - crossing property lines, definition of service provision<br>
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I reckon this is a fair way to do business in the sense that as long as you
pay for the common download pipe, people who sell you the pipe should have
no cause for complaint. You become a business service provider that pays
per MB. Lets face it, the majority of us are not about to give up our dialup
or broadband accounts because we have melbwireless. It's an extension rather
than an alternative...<br>
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so this is really the prefered choice in some senses. an augmented internet
access shared amongst multiple people. if we can get the regulatory issues
ironed out, and the payment issues addressed (i.e. howmany access points,
how to count the costs, who downloads what, how internet access provision
nodes get paid for) then I think we could approach any of the broadband ISP's
as a high volume customer.<br>
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someone on the Brisbane MESH mentioned APANA as a possible internet access
provider - being of similar inclination to melb wireless... anyone know
much about this...<br>
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shared cache - the majority of caching benefit is in the first 100 MB or
so. It is certainly technically feasable to have your internet cache on
the wireless side of you homeLAN firewall (we all have one of those, right?
Right!?). this would potentially lead to a shared cache of several GB available
to members within a reasonable number of hops on the wireless side and might
greatly reduce the amount of download you would have to do on the internet
side of things... ofcourse, there might be security and privacy issues with
this... and technically it is feasable but not completely easy...<br>
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regulatory problems - not sure. still smacks of service provision, but
then so should file sharing in that case. doubt that'll get you into much
hot water unless someone wants to stop you. note: this could be done in
addition to broadband access.... - that would be a real bandwidth saver...<br>
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file share model.<br>
like gnutella writ geographically on a true mesh net... firewalls everywhere
protecting private data and people selective about what they place on the
wireless side. Ah, harks back to the days of Fidonet, etc. (I'm lying folks.
I'm old enough, but I came to computers well after fidonet had been subsumed
by the internet.)<br>
regulatory, I cannot see anything wrong with this unless people start
distributing porn to minors or similarly otherwise illegal activities.<br>
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