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<DIV><SPAN class=615022207-19042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Once
again, please move this type of conversation to WGStructure.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Geoff Hammond
[mailto:ghammond@bigpond.net.au]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 19 April 2002 5:17
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Melbwireless (E-mail)<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [MLB-WIRELESS]
Membership fees etc. - was Fw: Public Wireless Networks Fight
Back<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In the event that we incorporate, the legislative
regulations dictate that members must pay a membership fee. From memory, this
can be as low as legal tender dictates, but in my (limited) experience is
usually a couple of dollars.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Consider the model of public radio groups
such as 3PBS-FM. </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>A Co-operative has been set up
which comprises a bunch of shareholders (from memory, $2 a share with a
minimum limit). They look to 'subscribers', 'patrons' and 'sponsors' to
help pay operating expenses, but also look to people's sense of fair play to
cough up - they do not preclude anyone from listening to the broadcast.
Melbourne Wireless could do the same thing (in time) - using bandwidth
management or some other method, 'owners' or 'subscribers' could get a service
which is in excess of Joe Public...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is free advice - worth nearly as much as it
cost you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>gah</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=paul@serc.rmit.edu.au href="mailto:paul@serc.rmit.edu.au">Paul van
den Bergen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=melbwireless@www.wireless.org.au
href="mailto:melbwireless@www.wireless.org.au">'Melbwireless (E-mail)</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 19, 2002 11:35
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Membership
fees etc. - was Fw: Public Wireless Networks Fight Back</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hi all,<BR>FWIW, I can actually see the arguement of the
sydney group. when is free truely free? at what point does a volunteer
group grow too big to be run on a voluntee only basis?<BR><BR>OK, so free
and not-for-profit are not the same thing.<BR><BR>we have just set up (at
least potentially) as a NFP org, right? <BR>so why are we doing
that?<BR>are we going to require all people who access melb wireless to
abide by usage rules? <BR>enforcement?<BR>contract?<BR>this implies that
non-members (what ever that means) are excluded.<BR>even if melbwireless
owns none of the infrastructure (which I doubt will be totally true - eg.
the web server...)<BR>the club still has admin and accounting costs.... and
so on<BR>at what point do we cross over form being private owners of
hardware and into the area of being a public access
network.<BR><BR>ofcourse, like one notion before me, I have no answers to
these questions....<BR><BR><BR>mind you, $100 might seem a little steep and
I could understand that as a criticism, unless there is some hardware or
similar issues we cannot see from here.<BR><BR><BR>On 04/19/02 09:52 AM, <A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:lkhoo@csc.com.au">lkhoo@csc.com.au</A> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"
cite="mid:OF6B118CE3.9B2A3FC4-ONCA256BBB.002E16D5@int.csc.com.au"><PRE wrap="">Drew wrote:<BR><BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">fee "to ensure stability in the network and to cover the cost of<BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->maintenance<BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">and upgrading.""<BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!----><BR>I probably wont be the last person to say "wtf?". Are they providing<BR>customers with access SLA's? (service level agreements)<BR>Then again, Telstra charge big bucks for clients to access their cable and<BR>adsl networks and don't have SLA's (to end users).<BR><BR>If they are charging money for access to their network then isn't this go<BR>against the whole"non-profit" 2.4ghz usage agreement?<BR><BR>Lucas<BR><BR><BR><BR>To unsubscribe: send mail to <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:majordomo@wireless.org.au">majordomo@wireless.org.au</A><BR>with "unsubscribe melbwireless" in the body of the message<BR><BR><BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><PRE class=moz-signature cols="$mailwrapcol">--
Dr Paul van den Bergen
SERC
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<A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:paul@serc.rmit.edu.au">paul@serc.rmit.edu.au</A>
+613 9925 1624 (RMIT)
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