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<P><FONT size=2>I now understand why so many people are unsubscribing from this
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<TD><A name=A0282000><B>an·ar·chy</B></A> <A class=linksrc
href="http://www.dictionary.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html"
onclick="ahdpop();return false;"
title="Click for guide to symbols."><B>Pronunciation
Key</B></A> (<IMG align=absBottom alt="" height=15
src="http://cache.dictionary.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/abreve.gif"
width=7>n<IMG align=absBottom alt="" height=22
src="http://cache.dictionary.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gif"
width=4><IMG align=absBottom alt="" height=15
src="http://cache.dictionary.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/schwa.gif"
width=6>r-k<IMG align=absBottom alt="" height=15
src="http://cache.dictionary.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/emacr.gif"
width=7>)<BR><I>n.</I> <I>pl.</I> <B>an·ar·chies </B>
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<LI>Absence of any form of political authority.
<LI>Political disorder and confusion.
<LI>Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or
purpose. </LI></OL><BR>
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[New Latin<TT> anarchia</TT>, from Greek<TT> anarkhi<IMG align=absBottom
alt="" height=15
src="http://cache.dictionary.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/amacr.gif"
width=7></TT>, from<TT> anarkhos</TT>, <I>without a ruler</I> :<TT>
an-</TT>, <I>without</I>; see <B>a-</B><SUP><FONT size=-1>1</FONT></SUP>
+<TT> arkhos</TT>, <I>ruler</I>; see
<B>-arch</B>.]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR>
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Message-----<BR>From: Ben Anderson [<A
href="mailto:a_neb@optushome.com.au">mailto:a_neb@optushome.com.au</A>]<BR>Sent:
Wednesday, March 20, 2002 9:10 AM<BR>To: Shane Chubb; Drew; drew@no6.com<BR>Cc:
Clae; melbwireless@wireless.org.au; jon@webprophets.com.au<BR>Subject: Re:
[MLB-WIRELESS] Re: Node x is over this way -was-<BR>Applications<BR><BR><BR>>
This isn't a new episode of Austin Powers...<BR><BR>I knew the term 'mojo'
wasn't ideal :)<BR><BR><BR>> Personally if anyone tried to implement a
mojo-meter (for want of a<BR>> better word) and decided who was more
important based on it, I would not<BR>> want to be part of that
network. Perhaps Ziggy would like to hear your<BR>> thoughts
tho.<BR><BR>It's not about deciding importance... It's trying to make the
network scale<BR>to more than a small community.<BR><BR><BR>> And whilst
we're on the matter, say a node was being restricted to the<BR>> their
lame-mojo rating dont you think they are going to be looking for<BR>> other
ways around the problem.<BR><BR>Saying "restricted to mojo rating" implies that
users are going to have<BR>access cut off if they spend more than they
make. Not true, they only get<BR>limited access to the resources under
demand. Anything that's not being<BR>used, goes up for grabs.<BR>And can
you refrain from including so much emotional language in your email,<BR>you make
this sound like a flame :)<BR><BR><BR>> Not everybody plans to use the
network to 100% capacity 100% of the<BR>> time. If you think your going
to get that, you should be setting up<BR>> your own private
network.<BR><BR>It's not about me. It never was. It's about getting
this network to scale<BR>to whole city+ size.<BR><BR><BR>> This was going and
in my mind still is going to be a FREE network. No<BR>> limitations can
be imposed or it's not free. This sounds like those<BR>> FREE internet
services where they stream adds to you (you pay the price<BR>> by watching
their adds). If your concerned about congestion in your<BR>> neck of
the woods, invest some time and effort into building the<BR>> community
around you instead of trying to control the entire network.<BR>> Its like
trying to get the Government to make the roads smoother instead<BR>> of
fixing your suspension.<BR><BR>I'm concerned about congestion *everywhere* -- I
can't build a city-sized<BR>private network without more money. And more
money implies I need to become<BR>more capitalistic, less altruistic. You
sound like someone who values<BR>freedom, and should understand why I hesitate
to make this choice.<BR>In your "free" network you're making a tradeoff between
who gets access to<BR>bandwidth. Basically in your system, users who want
low-latency access get<BR>trodden all over by people who want high bandwidth
access. And this problem<BR>becomes exponentially worse as more leaf nodes
are added.<BR><BR><BR>> Mojo this, Mojo that, I really cant believe this is a
serious<BR>> discussion.<BR><BR>Look past the word. Call them
tiddlywinks. Call them 'zoinks' call them<BR>'shanes' -- I don't
care. All I want is some QoS metric that gets<BR>distributed in some sort
of fair fashion. Leaving it open slather,<BR>unrestricted is decidedly not
fair for applications that require a low<BR>latency, so I don't understand how
you consider your tradeoff between<BR>access, bandwidth and latency is
inherantly freeer than my design.<BR><BR>> Smashing Baby Yeah....
NOT!<BR>><BR>> PS - want to flame me in return for this - make it a
private post,<BR>> others dont want to read about that.<BR><BR>Hopefully I
haven't used enough emotional language in this message for it to<BR>be
considered a flame. I'm not attacking you personally. Not
discounting<BR>your ideas, or your right to say them. I'm pointing out
inherant design<BR>problems with the design you've chosen to call "free" -- I
challenge you to<BR>come up with alternative more "free" methods of protecting
the network<BR>against DoS, large scale scalability and providing some QoS
metric.<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>Ben.<BR><BR></FONT></P></BODY></HTML>