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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>so your saying only people with active nod's points
of views count?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>swinburn hockey team have a commitee of 3, how many
members do they have ? 60</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>so you set up your nod your self, thats good, but
theres alot of people who want a committe @ the next meet we can have a vote and
that will fix teh matter, its only fair isnt it?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>rik</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=admin@gridlocked.net href="mailto:admin@gridlocked.net">mk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=bryce@lectronix.com.au
href="mailto:bryce@lectronix.com.au">Bryce Letcher</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=melbwireless@wireless.org.au
href="mailto:melbwireless@wireless.org.au">melbwireless@wireless.org.au</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 17, 2002 1:12
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [MLB-WIRELESS]
Resignation</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I don't get why all that is needed though , infact I personally
am against it for fear it may infact bring too many reistrictions and a
corrupt system of power for wireless.org.au. <BR><BR>I know what it's like to
admin servers, supply bandwidth, do things for people without being paid in
dollars, but if you don't get it by now, that's what being a nerd or
hacker or network admin is all about! the problem is you can't stop working!
it's that drive that has brought everyone here. To help share knowledge.
<BR><BR>It only takes a couple hours to setup and activate a node, if you want
to create a members area where you need to signup and hand over all your
details to the melbwireless database and appoint chairmans, presidents,
whatever, it sounds more like turning into a little democratic
establishment. *looks towards telstra*<BR><BR>I have an active node in Paco
south, theres a guy a few blocks away with a node, my friends in brunswick are
building a node. How many of the 300 so people on the list even have Active
nodes yet? Just helping my friends setup nodes, then have them help someone
else is going to build more wireless networks than having to signup to become
a member of a network and follow all it's procedures.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Bryce
Letcher wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:MJEMJEMDILNPFNLMCEDIOEDLCCAA.bryce@lectronix.com.au
type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Tyson,<BR>Whlist I've not been involved in this wireless group for long, and have yet<BR>to make it to a meeting, it has been obvious that someone somewhere was<BR>going some organising. Thank you. What we very much need to do is to get<BR>this on to a more formal footing. My suggestions of what we need to acheive<BR>in the short term are:<BR><BR>* An elected committee comprising a President / Chairman, a Secretary, and a<BR>Treasurer. More would be welcome, but that would be the minimum to carry out<BR>the 3 required roles.<BR><BR>* We also need a formal contact point. That means a name (like the<BR>secretary), address (snail mail) and other contact info if possible<BR><BR>* A club membership list, which implys someone to run it, and a formal<BR>membership application process (ie each member must provide a name and<BR>address etc.) so we can define WHO the group is.<BR><BR>Down the track we MIGHT want to:<BR><BR>* organise subcommittees who have a special fun
ction such as organising IP<BR>addressing.<BR>* get a bank account<BR>* associate our group with other similar groups or have geographicly<BR>organised chapters - Geelong springs to mind<BR>* incorporate as a non profit organization (which protects all members in<BR>various ways)<BR>* arrange public liability insurance<BR>* lots of other stuff.........<BR><BR>I also agree with a number of comments about "getting on with it" and I<BR>don't encourage excessive organisational bull. BUT some is necessary.<BR><BR>I'd also like to put forward Tyson Clugg as a nominee to the committee<BR>position of President / Chairman.<BR><BR><BR>rgds,<BR>Bryce<BR><BR>PS I have no problem with the committee having regular meetings away from<BR>club meetings to organise whatever, but I'd suggest that all members be<BR>notified via this list, just in case they wish to attend.<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:Tyson.Clugg@csiro.au">Tyson.C
lugg@csiro.au</A> [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:Tyson.Clugg@csiro.au">mailto:Tyson.Clugg@csiro.au</A>]<BR>Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2002 04:03<BR>To: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:clae13@yahoo.com">clae13@yahoo.com</A>; <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:melbwireless@wireless.org.au">melbwireless@wireless.org.au</A><BR>Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] Resignation<BR><BR><BR>I apologize to everyone in the group.<BR><BR>I have been trying VERY HARD to please lots of people.<BR>I, like others, am getting stressed.<BR>Tempers have been running very high.<BR>In the previous week, the list has seen more posts regarding organisational<BR>issues than technical ones.<BR>We all want roughly the same things, we disagree on how we should achieve<BR>this.<BR>Nobody can please everyone all of the time.<BR><BR>Some things do not just happen, there is a "group" of us working together to<BR>get things happening, we have loosely referred to ourselves as a<
br>"committee".<BR>This "group" typically communicates off list.<BR>This "group" is formed of people that have been constructive and<BR>communicative at the meetings, that is people who have approached myself and<BR>others and been pro-active in getting things done.<BR>The pro-active part is especially relevant. Activities carried out include:<BR>* Running the current server - which includes web pages, mailing lists, node<BR>maps, etc.<BR>* Building the new server, to cope with the exponential growth experienced<BR>by the group.<BR>* Sourcing bandwidth and hardware to run the servers.<BR>* Finding a suitable venue for our monthly meeting.<BR>* Communicating with external entities, such as the press, government and<BR>others.<BR>* Running the monthly meetings.<BR>* Documenting what we do, like the RFC.<BR><BR>I have raised the issue of voting for a committee numerous times on this<BR>list.<BR>Every time I raise the issue, I get flamed.<BR>The issue won't go away until we have
a committee.<BR>The group can't run itself, someone needs to organise things. Melb-Wireless<BR>does not have a committee, yet the meetings still go ahead.<BR><BR>I apologise for being human. I have my flaws like everyone else. I have<BR>been doing my best at helping Melb-Wireless rise to a level that we can all<BR>hopefully be proud of. I am not alone in my efforts.<BR><BR>If you have ANY questions regarding how things have been happening, who has<BR>been doing what, what is planned for the future, then all you need to do is<BR>ASK. We WILL reply truthfully and honestly. Feel free to ask such<BR>questions openly on the list, feel free to request that they are answered<BR>via the list. We can make no guarantees that we can answer every question,<BR>as we are sure that there are plenty to ask, but we will try our best.<BR><BR>If people feel that my services are not required, then I shall leave. As<BR>simple as that.<BR><BR>As a matter of fact, I'm tired of being flamed
.<BR><BR>I hereby step down. I resign myself from doing anything that can be<BR>considered as helping the group.<BR><BR>If you want me back, ask nicely. Until then, I'll be another one of those<BR>fools asking "what can wireless do for me", rather than "what can I do for<BR>the community with wireless".<BR><BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Tyson.<BR><BR>__________________________________<BR><BR>Tyson Clugg<BR>email: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:Tyson.Clugg@csiro.au">Tyson.Clugg@csiro.au</A><BR>phone: +61 3 9887 0117 (Home)<BR>__________________________________<BR><BR><BR>PS: Extra monies collected at the last meeting (total monies collected was<BR>$99.50, hall cost was $50.00, extra monies are therefore $49.50) shall be<BR>brought along to the next meeting, or forwarded to whoever decides to take<BR>up organising the next meeting. We probably won't fit into the scout hall<BR>for much longer, and the insurance on other venues is expensive. You will<BR>need the cash.
I wish you good luck finding a venue, and the best of luck<BR>organising the meetings. Perhaps I might even turn up at one.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Clae [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:clae13@yahoo.com">mailto:clae13@yahoo.com</A>]<BR>Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 8:39 PM<BR>To: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:melbwireless@wireless.org.au">melbwireless@wireless.org.au</A><BR>Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] Fwd: Committee Meeting<BR><BR><BR>I strongly object to this kind of thing being organised by private<BR>emails, without going through the public list. I am not about to<BR>become part anyone's "committee by appointment".<BR><BR>I therefore propose that the melbwireless community move at the next<BR>meeting to establish genuine democratic process, for example, a<BR>constitution, formal incorporation, offices and decision-making<BR>procedures.<BR><BR>I also propose that this "committee" has absolutely no recogniti
on<BR>from the floor, until such time as a democratic process has ensued.<BR><BR><BR>This kind of feral back-room branch stacking really gets my giddy goat.<BR><BR>Clae.<BR><BR><BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">X-From_: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:tyson.clugg@csiro.au">tyson.clugg@csiro.au</A> Thu Mar 14 21:20:39 2002<BR>X-Track: 1: 40<BR>X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:clae13@yahoo.com">clae13@yahoo.com</A> to <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:clae@tpg.com.au">clae@tpg.com.au</A><BR>From: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:Tyson.Clugg@csiro.au">Tyson.Clugg@csiro.au</A><BR>To:<BR>Subject: Committee Meeting<BR>Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:20:30 +1100<BR><BR>Dear "Committee",<BR><BR>We are having an impromptu meeting, to discuss various developments of this<BR>week.<BR><BR><BR>***Time***<BR>5pm Saturday March 16th 2002. This time is not concrete - if you can't<BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->make<BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">it, TELL me. We NEED your input.<BR><BR>***Location***<BR>O'Connell Reserve.<BR><BR>***Duration***<BR>Between 2 and 4 hours.<BR><BR>***Bring***<BR>Pen and paper.<BR>Your "everyday" laptop if you have one.<BR>Ideas for the next meeting (12th April 2002).<BR>Thoughts on what you would say to Senator Richard Alston if you were to<BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->meet<BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">him and discuss current ACA regulations regarding broadcasting internet<BR>packets on community wireless networks.<BR><BR>***Leave***<BR>Show and tell stuff, unless it is of importance to the "committee".<BR>Friends who would be better off attending the next general meeting.<BR><BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Tyson.<BR><BR>PS: I refer to this group of people as the "committee", as I couldn't think<BR>of any other description for us at the moment.<BR>____________________________________________<BR><BR>Tyson Clugg<BR>IT Services<BR>CSIRO - Molecular Science, Clayton<BR>phone (work): 03 9545 8117<BR>phone (home): 03 9887 0117<BR>email: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:tyson.clugg@csiro.au">tyson.clugg@csiro.au</A><BR>____________________________________________<BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!----><BR><BR>--<BR>To unsubscribe, send mail to <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:minordomo@wireless.org.au">minordomo@wireless.org.au</A> with a subject of<BR>'unsubscribe melbwireless'<BR>Archive at:<BR><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.wireless.org.au/cgi-bin/minorweb.pl?A=LIST&L=melbwireless">http://www.wireless.org.au/cgi-bin/minorweb.pl?A=LIST&L=melbwireless</A><BR>IRC at: au.austnet.org #melb-wireless<BR><BR>--<BR>To unsubscribe, send mail to <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:minordomo@wireless.org.au">minordomo@wireless.org.au</A> with a subject of<BR>'unsubscribe melbwireless'<BR>Archive at:<BR><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.wireless.org.au/cgi-bin/minorweb.pl?A=LIST&L=melbwireless">http://www.wireless.org.au/cgi-bin/minorweb.pl?A=LIST&L=melbwireless</A><BR>IRC at: au.austnet.org #melb-wireless<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>--<BR>To unsubscribe, send mail to <A class="moz-txt-link-a bbreviated" href="mailto:minordomo@wireless.org.au">minordomo@wireless.org.au</A> with a subject of 'unsubscribe melbwireless' <BR>Archive at: <A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.wireless.org.au/cgi-bin/minorweb.pl?A=LIST&L=melbwireless">http://www.wireless.org.au/cgi-bin/minorweb.pl?A=LIST&L=melbwireless</A><BR>IRC at: au.austnet.org #melb-wireless<BR><BR><BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>