<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
Hi folks,
<p>Having lurked for a few days, I thought i'd throw in my 2c worth (+gst).
<p>At the moment, it seems that we as a group need to think about how we're
going to use this network (assuming it's finished).
<p>We are going to have conflicting views of how the network is going to
be used - Primarily 2 views are going to come up. 1) Fee for service 2)Free
community information sharing based...
<p>Obviously this project is in it's infancy and everyone has an idea of
how it should be. I think we should start writing down a comprehensive
list of what we want to achieve from this project.
<p>If we do this now, it will have a 2 fold effect. 1) It will either attract
clientele or 2) Disuade clientele (spelling ?).
<p>I think it's everyone's aim to attract people to this fantastic project.....
<p>Do you think it's too early to be formulating ideas of how to use this
network ?
<p>I have a slight feeling deciding on a model now will have it's own hinderances
(Ie - not letting creativity flow) - but I do think we need some more solid
goals to work towards.
<p>Cheers,
<p>Vak
<p>----------------------
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><style></style>
<font face="Garamond"><font color="#000080">Telstra
& Optus both hate this. In fact if you read the (un)AUP, they
both state that you may not connect any network to the machine that has
the cable modem link. I have had battles with both these companies
to do with exactly this. It is irrelevant whether it is a winblows98
box with a second winblows box attached, or a big fat Gb network, they
don't like it and they don't put up with it IF they find out. Which
they generally don't.</font></font> ----- Original Message -----
<blockquote
style="BORDER-LEFT: #000080 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
<div
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a href="mailto:rohanf@vic.bigpond.net.au" title="rohanf@vic.bigpond.net.au">Rohan
Fernando</a></div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:melbwireless@melbwireless.dyndns.org" title="melbwireless@melbwireless.dyndns.org">melbwireless@melbwireless.dyndns.org</a></div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 26, 2001 9:22
AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] bandwidth
issues for the future/internet acces s</div>
Hi Michael,
<p>No idea about the legalities (that's what lawyers are for) but here's
a
<br>suggestion.
<p>A gang of cable modems could be established to provide the feed to the
WLAN.
<br>Admittedly there is an overhead to run it, but then someone has to
pay for
<br>the data anyway. Would first need to model the estimated data loadings
<br>versus cost to run the modems to determine viability. Also probably
require
<br>H/W & S/W to load balance the modems ie keeping them all under
the usage
<br>cap.
<p>Not sure how this conflicts with the overall objective to provide a
free
<br>service but, a very small annual subscription fee could be charged
to all
<br>WLAN users. This could provide economies of scale overall. Could use
WLAN
<br>monitoring to boot off / block anyone that abuses an WLAN AUP.
<p>Suspect the underlying issue will be that if there isn't currently an
<br>AUP/law against this application of cable modems, then there may soon
be.
<p>Regards,
<p>Rohan Fernando
<p>-----Original Message-----
<br>From: Michael Bailey [<a href="mailto:mbailey@enternet.com.au">mailto:mbailey@enternet.com.au</a>]
<br>Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:49 AM
<br>To: <a href="mailto:melbwireless@melbwireless.dyndns.org">melbwireless@melbwireless.dyndns.org</a>
<br>Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] bandwidth issues for the future/internet
<br>acces s
<br>
<p>On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 02:39:40PM +1000, Barry Park wrote:
<br>> My understanding is that:
<br>>
<br>> (i) Unless you have express consent from your ISP, feeding your Internet
<br>> service into an open wireless connection will be against both the
ISP's
<br>> business model and possibly even the law.
<p>I don't know of any law that prohibits you from letting your neighbour
use
<br>your internet connection. This isn't Napster. Not everything fun is
illegal.
<p>As far as ISP business models go, the right way to go would be to choose
an
<br>ISP that allows you to share your bandwidth. Read your AUP carefully
and
<br>even ask them. If your traffic usage rises too much, your ISP will
probably
<br>charge you more. So it will be up to you to manage it, just like the
<br>hundreds
<br>of mom and pop ISPs out there. There's not much difference.
<p>- Mike
<p>--
<br>To unsubscribe, send mail to <a href="mailto:minordomo@melbwireless.dyndns.org">minordomo@melbwireless.dyndns.org</a>
with a
<br>subject of 'unsubscribe melbwireless'
<br>Archive of the Entire mailinst list at:
<br><a href="http://melbwireless.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/minorweb.pl?A=LIST&L=melbwireless">http://melbwireless.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/minorweb.pl?A=LIST&L=melbwireless</a>
<br>
<p>--
<br>To unsubscribe, send mail to <a href="mailto:minordomo@melbwireless.dyndns.org">minordomo@melbwireless.dyndns.org</a>
with a subject of 'unsubscribe melbwireless'
<br>Archive of the Entire mailinst list at:
<br><a href="http://melbwireless.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/minorweb.pl?A=LIST&L=melbwireless">http://melbwireless.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/minorweb.pl?A=LIST&L=melbwireless</a>
<br>
<br> </blockquote>
</blockquote>
</body>
</html>