No subject

.

I can't comment on VS or Dreamweaver, however we use NetBeans for the littl=
e bit of PHP dev our group does here, and it looks like it should do SVN ov=
er SSH out of the box without too much trouble.

Cheers,
Andrew.

-----Original Message-----
From: melbwireless-bounces at lists.wireless.org.au [mailto:melbwireless-bounc=
es at lists.wireless.org.au] On Behalf Of Mike Everest
Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012 3:27 PM
To: 'Tim Hogard'; 'Mike Everest'
Cc: committee at melbournewireless.org.au; coders at melbournewireless.org.au; me=
lbwireless at lists.wireless.org.au
Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Authority to change website question sparked by

Yeah, I know - I've already *got* access, but none of my IDE software works=
 with it! :-)

Any suggestions on what software works best with this setup?  I use MS Visu=
al Studio and Dreamweaver.  I used to use netbeans for java development, bu=
t haven't worked with it for years (not since ditching a j2me project I was=
 working on)

Any suggestions or advice will be most welcome :)



-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Hogard [mailto:thogard at v.abnormal.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012 12:31 PM
To: Mike Everest
Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Authority to change website question sparked by

>=20
> Eh?  "That would assume that you can do part 1"=20
I know I can't do part 1.  I'm not sure anyone else can either.

Tyson and Steve can grant access.

-tim

>=20
> Is that assumption directed at me? I'm aware that nobody is offering=20
> to actually *do* anything at this stage - that was entirely my point
> ;-)
>=20
> Let me go one step further and recommend a 'call to arms' for anyone=20
> willing and capable of chipping in to reply to list with expression of
interest.
>=20
> I'll start: If I can get access to the site, then I'll chip in any way=20
> I can.
>=20
> I made an offer before, tried to get an IDE going, could't get it to=20
> work, gave up.  I'm willing to have another crack at it - anyone=20
> willing to help me get it rolling" :-}
>=20
> Cheers!
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Hogard [mailto:thogard at v.abnormal.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012 12:38 AM
> To: Mike Everest
> Cc: melbwireless at lists.wireless.org.au
> Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Authority to change website question=20
> sparked by
>=20
> >=20
> > G'day,
> >=20
> > The order should probably be reversed ;-)
> >=20
> > Fix the update procedures (nothing gets done until that is sorted=20
> > ;-), then fix google map API (there is a definite deadline there),=20
> > and then sort out the SSL.
> That would assume that you can do part 1.  I'm not going to do it. Are
you?
> Will Steve?  Will Tyson?  Will Peter?
>=20
> So far we are 0 out of 5 but I could continue.
>=20
> I'm ok with Steve's progress.  At least its progress.
> According to the web site, 100% of the registered financial members=20
> agree with Steve.  I'm ok with that.
>=20
> -tim
> Node HVC
>=20
>=20
> >=20
> > Or, since you apparently have the time, ability and motivation to do=20
> > something now, just go ahead and do it in any manner that raises no=20
> > significant objections ;-)
> >=20
> > I'm happy to assist with web site and application updates (I am=20
> > familiar with google API, and I maintain a few php applications=20
> > myself
> > - including our online store) but I just need assistance in setting=20
> > up my IDE to work properly with that server.  I attempted it once=20
> > before, but couldn't get the damn thing to work properly.  It's=20
> > probably time to have another crack at it.
> >=20
> > Cheers!
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: melbwireless-bounces at lists.wireless.org.au
> > [mailto:melbwireless-bounces at lists.wireless.org.au] On Behalf Of=20
> > Steven Haigh
> > Sent: Monday, 30 July 2012 10:47 AM
> > To: melbwireless at lists.wireless.org.au
> > Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Authority to change website question=20
> > sparked by SSL debate
> >=20
> > Hi Mike,
> >=20
> > I kind of agree with you here - but I'm mainly focussing on the=20
> > processes we should be following at this point. Obviously, people=20
> > had issues with moving to SSL only. While I don't quite understand=20
> > the reasoning, they are entitled to have an issue with it and we'll=20
> > find a
> compromise somewhere.
> >=20
> > What I believe is worthwhile now is to try and at least figure out=20
> > the least objectionable path we take when making changes to the site.
> > Sadly, the coders at wireless.org.au mailing list has been deadly quiet
> > - with nobody looking at reviewing code changes or even offering=20
> > insight. In my mind, this means it is broken and we need to agree on
> another way to make things work.
> >=20
> > I do know of people that have submitted changes to the site only for=20
> > the changes to be ignored and left in limbo with no outcome. This=20
> > also makes me think the current process is broken.
> >=20
> > After a week of no reply from anyone, there are still the following=20
> > things to be done/implemented:
> >=20
> > 1) Figure out where we want to use SSL. Make sure SSL stuff stays=20
> > secure and you don't get dropped to non-SSL anywhere. Actually make=20
> > the changes. I have already made the mapping stuff work over SSL.
> >=20
> > 2) We need to move from the Google Maps API v2 to v3. We have 11=20
> > months to do this before the Google Maps integration stops=20
> > completely as Google turn off v2 API access.
> >=20
> > 3) Figure out how we are going to utilise external help on making=20
> > changes / updates to the site and how we approve / review / accept=20
> > changes. It has to actually work.
> >=20
> > --
> > Steven Haigh
> >=20
> > Email: netwiz at crc.id.au
> > Web: http://www.crc.id.au
> > Phone: (03) 9001 6090 - 0412 935 897
> > Fax: (03) 8338 0299
> >=20
> > On 30/07/2012 10:23 AM, Mike Everest wrote:
> > > In the past, the way I have obtained authority to do anything is=20
> > > to write
> > this sort of message to the official lists:
> > >
> > > "Unless anyone objects, I propose that I will do <statement of
intent>"
> > >
> > > Then if(/when) someone objects, modify the statement of intent and=20
> > > post again ;-)
> > >
> > > Regarding the web site, consensus seems (to me) that it is=20
> > > sensible to
> > redirect only the login page to https - assuming that after logon,=20
> > ssl continues (I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't) then the=20
> > job is done.
> > >
> > > I suspect that the pages with embedded maps will probably complain=20
> > > about secure+insecure items, but that is not too hard to fix (I
> > > suspect)
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: melbwireless-bounces at lists.wireless.org.au
> > > [mailto:melbwireless-bounces at lists.wireless.org.au] On Behalf Of=20
> > > Steven Haigh
> > > Sent: Monday, 30 July 2012 10:03 AM
> > > To: coders at melbournewireless.org.au
> > > Cc: committee at melbournewireless.org.au;
> > > melbwireless at lists.wireless.org.au
> > > Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Authority to change website question=20
> > > sparked by SSL debate
> > >
> > > Ok, so its been a week since any kind of input / reply from anyone=20
> > > on
> > either the coders or committee mailing lists regarding this.=20
> > Throwing it open to public debate and/or ideas.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Steven Haigh
> > >
> > > Email: netwiz at crc.id.au
> > > Web: http://www.crc.id.au
> > > Phone: (03) 9001 6090 - 0412 935 897
> > > Fax: (03) 8338 0299
> > >
> > > On 23/07/2012 8:13 PM, Steven Haigh wrote:
> > >> Hi Russell,
> > >>
> > >> You hit the nail on the head here. There is no method that has=20
> > >> been established for any kind of approval / discussion process.
> > >> In the past, its been a case of just do it.
> > >>
> > >> It has mainly been a do, test, communicate - which is what I=20
> > >> still followed. If this should change, then we need a way to=20
> > >> actually communicate it with people and also ensure communication=20
> > >> doesn't disappear into the black hole as has been the tendency.
> > >>
> > >> At the moment, we still need to move the Google Maps API from v2=20
> > >> to
> > >> v3 at some point, but everyone has been normally quiet on this one.
> > >>
> > >> So, what do the fellows on these two lists suggest?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Steven Haigh
> > >>
> > >> Email: netwiz at crc.id.au
> > >> Web: http://www.crc.id.au
> > >> Phone: (03) 9001 6090 - 0412 935 897
> > >> Fax: (03) 8338 0299
> > >>
> > >> On 23/07/2012 7:27 PM, Russell Smith wrote:
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> I don't wish to directly enter into the SSL debate here.  But=20
> > >>> Tyson and Steve's exchange below does highlight something I've=20
> > >>> had a question about for a while.  What and where does authority=20
> > >>> lie to actually change the website?  Following that, how do you=20
> > >>> interact with that process so decisions can be timely and reach=20
> > >>> an
> agreement.
> > >>> For example, a committee meeting that makes the call and it's done.
> > >>> But then there are technical changes as well that the committee=20
> > >>> don't have a direct interest in.
> > >>>
> > >>> I made substantial changes to the website structure and code and=20
> > >>> proposed it be reviewed, but I've seen nothing come of that.
> > >>> Who would authorize the 'new' code to be used?  I've applied bug=20
> > >>> fixes as directed by committee/exec which is fine and would seem=20
> > >>> to follow and reasonable protocol.  I've also thought about=20
> > >>> doing exactly what Steve did here and directing all of the=20
> > >>> domain names to a
> single one.
> > >>> But who chooses which one? How do you get an authoritative=20
> > >>> answer that must be accepted by all?  Obviously Steve chose the=20
> > >>> right one as nobody complained about that!
> > >>>
> > >>> Which returning to the SSL debate in a less public way, should=20
> > >>> this be added to the agenda for a committee meeting, discussed=20
> > >>> and either approved or rejected.  Then we move on?  It would=20
> > >>> seem a clearer approach than emails expressing individual views.
> > >>> If people feel strongly, they should make a submission to the=20
> > >>> committee as part of the process.  If that is reasonable should=20
> > >>> it be proposed for other website works as the way forward?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks
> > >>>
> > >>> Russell
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 23/07/12 07:39, Steven Haigh wrote:
> > >>>>> You acted without authority by prematurely making the switch=20
> > >>>>> in spite what was said by our elected President.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I think the time frame is a little out there. I enabled SSL,=20
> > >>>> tested it over several days, then added the redirect. It was=20
> > >>>> only when I emailed the coders list that anyone even noticed=20
> > >>>> the change had been made. The discussion between myself and=20
> > >>>> Tyson took place AFTER everything was already functional. I=20
> > >>>> have never been aware of any other process we have used for web=20
> > >>>> development
> > >>>> - including changes to the operational aspects of the web site.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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