[MLB-WIRELESS] Commercial use of MW network

[andrewg at d2.net.au]

> Ryan and Rick,
> Please see below...
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au
>> [mailto:owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au] On Behalf Of rick
>> Sent: Friday, 5 March 2004 11:43 PM
>> To: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
>> Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] Commercial use of MW network
>>
>> i dont remeber saying ban vpn's craig,
>
> I think you are misssing the point here. What Craig said was how can you
> tell from the VPN [**]
> traffic what data is/was sent unless the VPN data is
> decrypted. Therefore determining wherether the usage are commercial.

......

Lets say several critera are met:
 - both nodes terminating the vpn connection are owned by the same business
 - usage pattern is mostly during business hours
 - there is a spike at night time, at a predictable/repeatable times.
(suggesting automated dumped)
 - Usage* pattern in general.

Various things like that suggest it is being used for business/commercial
related activities.

Just because its encrypted, doesn't mean the data is useless. You can
still extropalte a lot of data. Some cases in point, if there was a lot of
encrypted mail between two ceo's of similar nature businesses, it may
suggest that a merger is going to happen.

>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au
>> [mailto:owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au]On Behalf Of Ryan Abbenhuys
>> Sent: Friday, 5 March 2004 6:53 PM
>> To: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
>> Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Commercial use of MW network
>>
>>
>> I was thinking more along the lines of it being obvious if
>> there were say several large corporate office buildings
>> linking into the network.  Or a few Bunnings warehouses, that
>> sort of thing.
>
> How do you determine if the node connected to the network is business or
> some individual employee have some fun at work?

see above.. usage patterns* here apply majorly. If its likely to be an
individual, they'll be aware in the community as it as well, where as a
corporation won't be in the community.

>
> Cheers
> Rob
>
>
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* I'm sure many people here will agree with me here, if they work at a
company with traffic graphs. In my observations, You have people who get
in, quickly get some news site, traffic dies down for a while, raises
again near
break times.

Individuals on the other hand's usage pattern won't be as much
predicable/identifiable. (Oh yeah, I'll grab this iso, make something else
available etc)

** Oh yes, I forgot. VPN software has never had security holes in it, as
they are for security and are always implemented correctly. People always
implement things like ASN.1 parsing correctly as well. No, the US
president wasn't briefed on any security holes regarding that.

- andrewg.



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