[MLB-WIRELESS] Commercial use of MW network

[Lee Moyle]

the fact that some commercial users may have to donate" the equipment" to
the melb wireless group and suppling prime sites
could be of some benefit.
although we are a community group, the conmmercial side is quite obvious
considering the inferstructure and expertise within the group
which continues to expand and become more structured.
i have seen this in less than 12 months
down the track i see MW as being eyed by commercial interests...
just my 2c worth.

cheers Lee



----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Abbenhuys" <sneeze at alphalink.com.au>
To: "Dan Flett" <conhoolio at hotmail.com>
Cc: <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Commercial use of MW network


> i disagree to the death :-\
>
> I don't believe we would gain from being exploited by a profitable
business
> trying to increase profits further by saving money by using our community
> network.  If they were paying for the same service they would be paying
> thousands of dollars a month.  They are exploiting not only the physical
> network but those who spend the time to setup and maintain it who if they
> were doing the same thing for a living would be charging a hefty hourly
> rate.
> It would be ethically wrong for a business to do such a thing and the day
a
> business uses the melbourne wireless network to save themselves money is
the
> day I have a wireless garage sale.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Flett" <conhoolio at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Ryan Abbenhuys'" <sneeze at alphalink.com.au>
> Cc: "Melbourne Wireless" <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 12:08 AM
> Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] Commercial use of MW network
>
>
> > What I'm getting at is that "we" (the hobbyist users/creators of the
> > network) possibly stand to gain as much if not more than "they"
> > (potential commercial users) do from us.  Mutual exploitation is to
> > everyone's gain.  A company-operated node would be well-resourced and
> > reliable.  And because they're on "our" network we would make it clear
> > to them that just as they use our nodes, we can use theirs.  As far as I
> > can tell, there are no rules governing who can, can't or
> > can-with-conditions access the Melbourne Wireless network.  The only
> > considerations as to access are technical Quality-of-Service issues.  I
> > would suggest that any company that wished to use the network would be
> > asked to adhere to the principles of free access.  If they don't, we can
> > always block them.  There are already commercial users of the 2.4Ghz
> > band, and many private commercial 802.11b networks across town.  How is
> > it different if two disparate parts of such a private commercial network
> > are connected via VPN across our network?
> >
> > The reason we keep getting knocked back for access to prime locations
> > for our nodes is because the companies who own the sites can't see
> > what's in it for them.  If we formally open the MW network to them we're
> > far more likely to be able to get nodes up at those great sites.
> >
> > As for wether the MW network is reliable enough for business use -
> > consider that at the moment many companies with remote offices use
> > dial-up to connect to the main office.  If the wireless link fails, they
> > can always go back to dial-up and be no worse off than they were
> > originally.  The MW network offers a way to get network access to sites
> > where it may be impractical to get a phone line installed - temporary
> > sites for instance.
> >
> > Ultimately, the more nodes on the network, the more reliable (via
> > redundancy) it is.  And with more working, routing nodes the easier it
> > is for new nodes to connect.  Then we will have a real city-wide
> > network.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au [mailto:owner-
> > > melbwireless at wireless.org.au] On Behalf Of Ryan Abbenhuys
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 3 March 2004 22:43
> > > To: Dan Flett
> > > Cc: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
> > > Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Commercial use of MW network
> > >
> > > it's an iffy area, it depends what the company is doing with it and
> > what
> > > sort of traffic and whether any money is exchanging hands as to
> > whether
> > > it's
> > > legal by ACA regulations.
> > >
> > > without proper legal advice we would be best to steer clear of
> > anything
> > > like.
> > >
> > > As I mentioned, personally, I'd be very pissed off if I discovered a
> > > company
> > > was using any part of the network I was helping run and would make
> > this
> > > VERY
> > > clear to them. :-\
> > >
> > > In my opinion a company should morally and ethically NOT use a
> > community
> > > network to save themselves money.  I don't know any non-profit
> > community
> > > group that would allow a company to use their resources in order to
> > save
> > > themselves money.
> > >
> > > The committee and members will need to discuss this position to decide
> > > where
> > > we stand with regards to non-individuals or community/non-profit
> > groups
> > > using the network and actual companies
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dan Flett" <conhoolio at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "'Ryan Abbenhuys'" <sneeze at alphalink.com.au>
> > > Cc: "'Melbourne Wireless'" <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:38 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] Commercial use of MW network
> > >
> > >
> > > > At this point, what's stopping a company from using the MW network?
> > Are
> > > > there any laws or government regulations that prohibit a company
> > from,
> > > > say, putting a VPN across our network to link it's main office to a
> > > > temporary site office?
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Ryan Abbenhuys [mailto:sneeze at alphalink.com.au]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 3 March 2004 22:24
> > > > > To: Dan Flett
> > > > > Cc: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
> > > > > Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Commercial use of MW network
> > > > >
> > > > > No, for legal and licensing reasons.
> > > > >
> > > > > On a personal level I wouldn't want any company using part of the
> > > > network
> > > > > for commercial reasons that I helped setup or maintain
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Dan Flett" <conhoolio at hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: "Melbourne Wireless" <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:21 PM
> > > > > Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] Commercial use of MW network
> > > >
> > >
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