[MLB-WIRELESS] Interstate meshing

[Steven Haigh]

I'll ignore the flamebait, there's been enough on this list lately...

I wasn't unhappy with the information, but the fact that nobody would even
try to consider the option...

Maybe iinet won't do it for home subscribers, but maybe if somebody
approached them, then they might do something special... it's still internal
traffic, and very cheap for the ISP to run - not to mention great
publicity...

Chances are, we'd still have to pipe the data out from the ISP's premises at
our expense, either via WiFi, or one of the ISP's connections...

I think that it's very viable to do - but you need someone on the other end
of the link to take steps too - and I couldn't find anyone to even consider
the possiblilty in Perth...

Signed,
Steven Haigh
http://wireless.org.au
(Visit https://wireless.org.au to install our Root Certificate.)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stygen" <stygen at wafreenet.org>
To: <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 5:12 PM
Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] Interstate meshing


> Eh?  What mentality was that?
>
> Is your dislike of Perth based on jeuvenile jealousy? Or is it somewhat
> founded by basing your opinion of a population on that of a few people
> in Perth.  We would not think much of a population if we were to judge
> them by your comments.
>
> Can I guess that you were unhappy with the 'Perth mob' informing you
> that interstate traffic through iinet is NOT free?  iiNet provides free
> bandwidth for traffic destined to iiNet customers in the same state.
> They also provide free bandwidth to destination IP's using the same
> state internet exchanges such as WAIX and SAIX but not between then.  I
> would be happy to link the wireless freenet's via a VPN or CIPE tunnel
> if the bandwidth were free, but at this stage I don't think it is.  If
> you can suggest a free medium I will set the tunnel up myself.
>
> So was the 'mentality' you didn't like realism or common sense?
>
> -Stygen
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Steven Haigh
> >Sent: Wednesday, 15 January 2003 8:36 AM
> >To: Matthew Hill; Melbourne Wireless
> >Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Interstate meshing
> >
> >
> >I actually suggested iinet while attempting to put the idea to
> >the perth mob, but due to their mentality, I'm not going to
> >persue it with the perth crowd anymore.... I don't have the
> >willpower to put up with them.....
> >
> >My main focus now is on trying to link, as was suggested
> >before, Geelong -> Melbourne, Melbourne -> Sydney etc...
> >
> >Anyone know of some friendly ISPs in Geelong that have a major
> >presence?
> >
> >Signed,
> >Steven Haigh
> >http://wireless.org.au
> >(Visit https://wireless.org.au to install our Root Certificate.)
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Matthew Hill" <matthew.hill at matthewhillonline.com>
> >To: "Melbourne Wireless" <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:27 AM
> >Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] Interstate meshing
> >
> >
> >> Steven.
> >>
> >> IInet is a good adsl isp and established in WA NSW and VIC ??
> >>
> >> Just a thought.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Matthew Hill
> >>
> >> http://www.matthewhillonline.com - Matthew Hill Online
> >> http://www.matthewhillonline.com/motorsport - Matthew Hill Motorsport
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Steven Haigh" <netwiz at optusnet.com.au>
> >> To: "Jason Tedesco" <jtedesco at request.com.au>;
> >> <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:59 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Fw: [Syd-Wireless] World's Longest Wi-Fi
> >> Connection Made by The Swedish Space Corporation
> >>
> >>
> >> > About a month ago, I jumped into the perth chat room to bounce the
> >> > idea
> >of
> >> > trying to get a free link between melbourne and perth
> >using a major
> >> > ISP
> >> that
> >> > has a major point of presence in both cities... The idea
> >is that the
> >> > ISP would have lots of internal bandwidth, and an already existing
> >> > network structure in operation...
> >> >
> >> > Unfortunatly, the perth boys just laughed it up saying
> >"you'll never
> >> > get anything free" and "let me know when you're in the
> >real world" -
> >> > I say
> >> their
> >> > loss....
> >> >
> >> > I think we have a good chance of trying to get a major ISP to
> >> > sponser us into doing something like this.... They can use QoS to
> >> > set our data at
> >the
> >> > lowest possible priority (hence we get their "idle-time") on the
> >> > link
> >and
> >> > therefore not get anywhere near commercial service, but enough for
> >> > what
> >we
> >> > want....
> >> >
> >> > The main reason that the ISP should already exist in both cities
> >> > would
> >be
> >> > that the cost to the ISP of running this VPN link over their
> >> > "idle-time" should me almost nothing (read maybe an extra $1 in
> >> > power over a
> >year)....
> >> >
> >> > Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions?
> >> >
> >> > Signed,
> >> > Steven Haigh
> >> > http://wireless.org.au
> >> > (Visit https://wireless.org.au to install our Root Certificate.)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Jason Tedesco" <jtedesco at request.com.au>
> >> > To: <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:59 AM
> >> > Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] Fw: [Syd-Wireless] World's
> >Longest Wi-Fi
> >> > Connection Made by The Swedish Space Corporation
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > > 310km...wow can we do better? it looks like it could
> >solve a lot
> >> > > > of problems. could it?
> >> > >
> >> > > Instead of just doing something like this better, we
> >could make it
> >> better
> >> > by using linking up Melbourne wireless and Sydney wireless.  Has
> >anything
> >> > like this been discussed? ( And I don't mean just a few E-Mail or
> >> > irc sessions saying it's a good idea).
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: Matthew Hill [mailto:matthew.hill at matthewhillonline.com]
> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, 15 January 2003 8:49 AM
> >> > > To: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
> >> > > Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] Fw: [Syd-Wireless] World's Longest Wi-Fi
> >> > > Connection Made by The Swedish Space Corporation
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Gudday
> >> > >
> >> > > Might be of some interest...
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "STANLEY Dax" <Dax.Stanley at Tenix.com>
> >> > > To: <syd-wireless at lists.sydneywireless.com>
> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:24 AM
> >> > > Subject: [Syd-Wireless] World's Longest Wi-Fi Connection Made by
> >> > > The
> >> > Swedish
> >> > > Space Corporation
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >http://www.alvarion.com/RunTime/CorpInf_30130.asp?fuf=281&type=
> i
> > > > > tem
> > > > >
> > > > > 310km...wow can we do better? it looks like it could solve a lot
>
> > > > > of problems. could it?
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