[MLB-WIRELESS] Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) ( anyone else get this? )

[rik]

so your happy with everything to stay the way it is and no changing things
for the better ? as for the client issue, what about all of thous whos
workplace doesnt allow other mail clients installed? or what about people
who are happy with the one they use now, i am sure alot of people follow
your point of view about technology is not a democracy, but melb wireless is
not a technology, it is a community, shouldnt we be doing whats best for all
not just people who like to sit on there ass and demand no change cous this
is as good as it gets?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Sanders" <cas at taz.net.au>
To: <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) (
anyone else get this? )


> On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 01:06:25PM +1100, Toliman wrote:
> > but sending 40 messages in an hour, and having to modify the email
> > address for every single reply is just fucking tedious.
>
> so use a decent fucking mail client.  simple.  problem solved.  in fact,
> there ISN'T a problem - the "problem" only exists for those who refuse
> to use a decent mail client.
>
>
> > >the lame rebuttals to http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
> > >all conveniently ignore one crucial point because they have no answer
> > >for it - munging reply-to destroys any reply-to header that the
> > >original author may have set.
> >
> > my google-fu is stronger
> > http://www.metasystema.org/essays/reply-to-useful.mhtml
>
> no it isn't. that's the lame rebuttal i was referring to.
>
> this guy is clueless, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
>
> this is the prime example of lame rebuttals that conveniently ignore
> crucial points because they have no answer to them.
>
>
> > >i've run many hundreds of mailing lists over the years.  i'm currently
> > >responsible for over 250 of them.  the single most common cause of
> > >mailing-list loops is the combination of Reply-To header munging and a
> > >subscriber on a broken NT mail server.
> >
> > uhuh ... have you run one recently?
>
> yes, i run hundreds of lists at the moment.
>
> what part of "i'm currently responsible for over 250 of them" is
> difficult to understand?
>
> > >>I don't understand why this is bad... it is an email list. what
> > >>reason would someone want to preserve the reply-to from a list?
> >
> > i can imagine, it's to include the humourous and often funny crap that
> > people modify and include as their reply to addresses such as this
> > lovely unsolicited email i got from another mailing list:
>
> no, to use a current example, it's to preserve useful address like:
>
> Reply-To: bchild at wireless.org.au
>
>
>
>
>
> > >that is fairly common.  generally the people who are in favour of
> > >Reply-To munging are those who have no experience running mailing
> > >lists and who therefore are unable to think of good reasons.
> >
> > those people who rule servers rarely are forced to be democratic or
>                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^
> > analytical about their choices, their inability to appreciate the
>
> now i know you're clueless.
>
> technology is not a democracy.  things either work or they don't,
> voting about it doesn't change that.
>
> it sounds like you're one of those mediocrity-fascists who think that
> everyone's opinion is equally valid on every topic, regardless of what
> experience or knowledge or skill they might have in the subject being
> discussed.
>
> sorry but, e.g., if i'm discussing nuclear physics, i'm going to rate
> the opinion of someone who works or researches in the field a lot higher
> than the opinion of any joe-blow off the street.
>
> same with mail servers, mail clients, and mailing lists.  the opinions
> of those who work with and/or develop the technology every day are worth
> more than the opinions of some random user.
>
>
> craig
>
> --
> craig sanders <cas at taz.net.au>
>
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