[MLB-WIRELESS] Re: Node x is over this way -was- Applications

[Jon]

You're CC'ing me again.


Ben Anderson wrote:

> > >
> > > I think it's not too hard to have a self-optimising layer that does
> this...
> > > At least, I haven't found a good reason as to why it's too hard...
> > >
> >
> > Have a go at designing one.
> >
> > ;-)
>
> Have been, and continue to iterate the design.  Have been asking for flaws,
> got any new bees to throw in my bonnet to solve?
>

So you have a physical link-layer design that can:
- allow ad-hoc entry and exit
- self-optimise traffic routings in some sensible way
- not reveal the locations of any nodes to any other nodes

?


>
> > > > Problem B - even though the nodes use physical location, GPS etc, to
> > > > manage link-layer optimisation, we want it to be impossible to _prove_
> > > > that a given node is the site of an actionable (eg. unlawful) data
> item.
> > >
> > > Yup, though just that isn't enough for the safety of the node in some
> cases,
> > > where guilt is assumed and you have to prove the data isn't unlawful.
> > >
> >
> > Not so fast:
> > 1. they have to prove association
> > 2. we don't have this situation in australia, at least not at the moment
>
> Yet.  I think default encryption should be employed anyway, at least to
> future proof it a little.  And also because it's not hard.
>

Ah! - watch out, encryption is _not_ a miracle solution.
And Onion Routing - encrypting successive addresses within each other like
russian dolls - is a _worst_case_ scenario.


> > > than an applicaiton layer tunnel through the rest... it makes it look
> like a
> > > big nasty hack.
> > >
> >
> > not if you keep your layers nice.
>
> I think you've already made them 'not nice' by the way applicaitons have to
> link in encryption, instead of just linking to a socket library that deals
> with all that crap.
>

I didn't suggest anything like that.
You can ride whatever you want on the top, if you want to run it that way then
fine.



> > Oh, and thanks for the SS stuff too, for some reason netscape wont let me
> send
> > back to you.
>
> No problems...  Email me privately if you want know more, or just chat about
> it ;)
>
> Ben.

Ok!

Jon


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