[MLB-WIRELESS] New submissions to the wireless broadband inquiry

[evilbunny]

Hello Greg,

that's not a valid argument, the fact of the matter is Unisys were
flogging off these cards at market value till the warranties run out
then dumped them for that, some of which ended up in the hands of a
company in WA, who in turn were flogging them off for about the same
(I think they got them cheaper then $50/ea as that's what eathos was
going to get them for)...

In any case this is still a democracy (well they let us think that
most of the time at least) and the opinion they voiced isn't shared by
the majority of the submission's I've read, bear in mind the ACA made
reference to being asked something like this in the future, disturbed
me a little though as it goes against what the rest of the UN body
that over sees this, and even the FCC's comments on public spectrum
space...

The majority, not the minority of submission all state along similar
lines, ISM spectrum isn't suitable for commercial purposes, more then
25m, there are other users in this spectrum that could have the WISPs
"removed" or anyone else that interferes with them, simply because
they were here first... and they are licensed, and in the US ham
operators have had WISPs shutdown...

The only thing I slightly agree with in the entire submission from
IDS, was their comments on allowing more output, especially in rural
areas at 5.7Ghz, and basing the allowed output on the density of
people

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Friday, June 7, 2002, 12:02:23 PM, you wrote:

G> Why do you think IDS have made this submission?

G> Besides my business, how many others are looking at these bulk buys and not
G> getting any wireless gear from IDS any longer?

G> Because we cant run a business making no margins (FAT PRICES?!?) just like
G> they can't if many sales are not happening because people get wireless  gear
G> for LESS than even distributor cost. ($55 for a 802.11b PCard? Who could do
G> that except mfr?)

G> ( I dont sell much of wireless so its not really effecting my business, but
G> I would bet its effecting IDS!)

G> Irespective of motive, I think most thinking policy makers will see through
G> their outlandish claims as to antennas and EIRP, licencing (they dont even
G> Licence CBers any more and there are lots of them putting out 30w when the
G> limit is 5w on UHF 476Mhz  and a 100w when the limit is 12w on 27Mhz) etc.
G> Their conradictory references to the public and to the "non conforming or
G> law breaking" public eg.:
G> "Also 2.4 GHz products are typically used by free community
G> networks or gaming groups who again may not care or know if they exceed the
G> 4-watt limit." and then "We recommend that steps be taken to protect the
G> resource so it is available
G> for use by everyone." is unlikely to convince anyone.

G> Its always what side of the fence you are on that makes the way you think
G> and act.

G> They are on the "other side" to most here, so lets drop this thred.


G> From: "Andy Freeman" <wireless at kawasaki.kz>
>> So what do we do now?  The way I see it we have a couple of options...
>>
>> b.\ We charge a $100 membership fee to all, put it in a big pot and
>> become the second Orinoco distributor in the Australasia region.  We
>> undercut the fat prices that IDS are asking and supply the world with
>> cheap wireless gear.
>>
>>
>> Don't get angry... get even!
>>
G> Integrity Data Systems says: "The 2.4 GHz IEEE 802.11 b products have been
G> in use for some time now for entry level point-to-point and
G> point-to-multipoint broadband deployment. The proliferation of brands now
G> entering Australia and the use of wireless LAN cards in
G> personal computers (PCs) and Linux boxes for community gaming is polluting
G> the 2.4GHz band as a resource."

G> "Of even more concern is the number of importers and installers of 2.4 GHz
G> product that have nil radio experience or knowledge. These companies are
G> combining the 2.4 GHz products with directional, omni antennas and
G> amplifiers that in many cases breach the ACA's class license. Many of these
G> companies are not even aware of the conditions around the use of products in
G> the 2.4 GHz band. Also 2.4 GHz products are typically used by free community
G> networks or gaming groups who again may not care or know if they exceed the
G> 4-watt limit."

G> "We recommend that steps be taken to protect the resource so it is available
G> for use by everyone. Any vendors or importers selling the product in
G> Australia should undertake an accreditation process, which involves
G> educating their channel on the class license. All installed links should be
G> registered with the ACA by the installer, end user or both and must supply,
G> as a minimum, a link budget which clearly shows the product, RF cable, and
G> antennas used, as well as the EIRP level for the link. The ACA could then
G> issue a certificate of compliance. We also believe that retrospective steps
G> be taken to clean up the band by ensuring current links comply with the
G> class license conditions. After an amnesty or grace period, sites without a
G> certificate of compliance could be fined. This should not only remove the
G> "cowboy" element of some suppliers and resellers, but allow more second tier
G> carriers to look at using the technology, which is still the most economical
G> way to distribute Internet services.
G> This would still allow the technology to be used for gaming purposes, but
G> minimise the risk of interference with a second tier carrier who is
G> deploying a suburb-wide wireless broadband service.
G> Using the analogy of the spectrum resource as a river, there would be an
G> uproar over the lax way we allow some to pollute it. We must protect it from
G> the reckless or ignorant behaviour of a few so broadband is cost-effectively
G> available for all.
G> In regard to free community wireless networks, they again should not only
G> register their links, but be excluded from using amplifiers. This should not
G> be an issue, as community links ares typically point to point and cover
G> short distances."




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