[MLB-WIRELESS] Hang on a tick before you all get carried away...ok Clae.

[Clae]

>Hey i am expessing my views and pointing pitfalls and problem that may
>occure.  And I will also mention certain issues that many people are afraid to
>mention.

no one has been afraid to mention any of these issues, they have all 
been mentioned many times.

>2.  I have pointed out some bandwidth will be lost to people using Melb
>Wireless for commercial purposes.

each AP that is added should increase the available bandwidth, up to 
the local-area carrying capacity of the spectrum, and given demand 
from other devices and services in the same spectrum.

>3.  There is nothing in this world that is Free. even Death incures a
>Tax.

this is a statement of ideology, not fact.  air is free.  water used 
to be, and still is if you install your own tank.

a good analogy might be solar electricity, you can buy your power 
from the big boys, or with a bit of homework and capital outlay, you 
have free electricity.  and you can share it with your neighbours if 
you want.

>4.  There are laws that people should abide by and Melb-Wireless will be
>subject to.

stating the obvious is stating nothing

>5.  Becuase its free or Public or community does not make it immune from
>regulations.

this is specifically covered in the legislation.  no, it is not 
immune from regulation, but it is provided for in the legislation, as 
a different class from commercial operation.  no carrier license is 
required.

>6.  Having a "un-regulated or un-controlled" network will open its self
>to abuse and eventual failure.

yes, but "regulated" like a factory production line or "regulated" 
like the road system?

>7.  If some one donates Time, money, equipement, facilities, you cannnot
>expect a "reasonable service".

tell that to the CFA, Red Cross, Ambulance Service, Surf-Life Saving 
Assn, Tranceplant, Greenpeace, ATA, RSL, etc etc etc
god, the entire internet was run this way once.
and once again this is not a service.

>8.  Biggest attraction i have seen for wireless lan for a lot of people
>is internet access,
>     so where is the net access going to come from?

if any part of melbwireless does decide to provide this legally, they 
will have to buy it from an upstream provider with an appropriate 
service contract.  cost recovery from other members on a non-profit 
basis is permitted under the legislation, AFAIK.  i'm not a lawyer 
and i don't play one on TV.

>If you read most ISP's service aggreement, can not redistribute the 
>internet, so guys with cable who intend to supply some net content 
>will be voiding their contracted aggreements, Fact.

yes, fact and a fact that has been mentioned before the last five 
minutes when you turned up.

>11. I thought this was supposed to be a forum we can discuss issues in a
>adult manner instead of Clae resorting to using remarkes like "Comrade" or
>"Lenin", i suppose you would like it if i mentioned to you or 
>implied your a Gay, so keep it at a adult level.

oh for god's sake, i'm trying to discuss the issues here.  do you 
really regard comrade as an insult??  or GAY for that matter??

take a joke man.  i don't think threatening me with these "insults" 
is increasing the adulthood quotient around here at all.

i was trying to draw a parallel with a specific set of historical 
incidents. the anarchists in russia were all excited because they saw 
an opportunity to live out their goals (whatever you might think of 
those goals), which was snatched away from them by centralist, 
bureaucratic marxists.  okay so it's probably a crap analogy, but it 
wasn't meant as a personal insult at all, and i'm sorry you saw it 
that way.

all i'm trying to do here is to point out that there is no 
customer-supplier relationship in this project, and that if you want 
to *participate*, as opposed to buying a service, where you would be 
entitled to complain about inadequate services, then go right ahead. 
as ryan as more succinctly put it, there may be a mis-apprehension 
here about what stage this project is up to, or where its goals are 
even headed.

this project is an opportunity for all of us to think outside the box 
a little, to see the possibilities we can come up with, with our own 
imagination and some readily available tools.  it's not an 
opportunity to replicate optus's $70 a month service for free.  the 
cards, antennae etc are just bare tools.  between that, the 
legislative framework, and the economics, it's up to us to build 
whatever *it* might be.

it was never my intention to insult, just to provoke new thought.

clae.


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